Johnny Bognor

Well if the union dues don't contribute to this..... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1158150/Trade-union-chief-used-399-night-Waldorf-suite-save-35-minute-journey-home.html What does? You could call it getting fat on the proceeds. 6 figure salaries, £800,000 grace and favour homes, you have got to give it to these union guys, as it makes your average corrupt MP look quite humble really. The fat cat union leader stays at the £400 per night Waldorf and the Union respond by saying: "The union has now confirmed that Mr Simpson used the hotel, and astonishingly has justified it by claiming that staying at the Waldorf was vital to his status as a union leader. " Status as Union leader? Is he not supposed to be working on behalf of the workers? Do the workers stay at the Waldorf then? Being a union leader should not be about status, should it? Are you OK with this? Oh well, never mind, as long as the workers are OK. Union leaders - biggest hypocrites of all!

My original point was a question, with a little cheap dig at the unions thrown in. I then get acused of being a fascist and insulted that I get a hard on if anyone is sacked. I would have preferred for someone to enlighten me with the facts in this situation. If Total were out of order (and I'm playing devils advocate here), then why didn't the Unions take this up? Why was it left to the workers to go out on wildcat strikes? If people are on short term contracts, then are they not taking a massive risk when they walk out on a wildcat strike? If there is a case for Total to answer (and I don't know the facts) then I think the Unions have a lot to answer for (as do Total for being a crap employer). They are paid to look after the interests of the employees and it looks like they have failed on this occasion, if employees feel that they have to take matters into their own hands. Its another example of Unions not being there when it matters whilst others stir up trouble when it doesn't. Meanwhile the union leaders get fat on the proceeds. If I was working at that plant, I would be looking to move elsewhere once things were resolved and work for someone who truly values my input. This would be the ultimate two finger salute to any crap employer.

Cup of Horlicks?

Should we now hit the FL switchboard with calls and bombard them with emails to let them know what the fans think? ...just to apply a bit of gentle pressure.

You couldn't be further from the truth. Firstly, I am not a fascist. I would describe myself as an anti-socialist whose politics are somewhere in the centre. Secondly, I am a fan of the free market (and this includes movement of workers) - therefore I would equally like to see the workforce leave en masse and go and work elsewhere, thus sticking it to the employer. This would force the employer to get their act together. I employ 50+ staff and I have had one resignation in the last 12 months - this was for someone emigrating with their other half. If I was such a ****, you would expect them to be leaving en masse. The fact is, if you treat and pay your staff well, you retain them. A good and motivated workforce is the best asset a business could have. People leaving a business on mass is proof of a badly run business. If the employees of Total voted with their feet and left in droves, who would be sticking it to who? Total would lose masses in profit if they were unable to refine and then be forced to re-think. So I am not for the employer at any cost - I am for good employers whilst bad employers can **** off. Likewise, I am for good employees and bad ones can **** off too. However, I am against workers forcing employers to change through striking as this goes against a free market. If they don't like it, they are free to leave. If this happens on masse across the whole economy, employers will be forced to improve, whilst employees will be happier in their employment. Simple really. To get back on topic, unofficial strikes are illegal and the employees concerned should be punished accordingly, which prompted my initial response. Out of interest, would you expect an employer to be punished if they were acting illegally?

...but weren't they on unofficial strike and isn't this a sackable offence? Normally the unions have to poll their membership when they want a day off.

......to be fair, the snow ones are better than the jeff ones. Seriously, good day out with the kids especially if the weather is good.

OK, the breakfast club didn't seem to do it for anyone here, so who's going to the Festival of Speed???? ...or am I on my own for this one too.

OK, fair enough, attacks on imagination and vocabulary. Could it be that your superior use and knowledge of the English language is down to the fact that I am less fortunate than you? If so, surely your socialist leanings would feel some sympathy towards those less fortunate? Instead you chose to castigate the less advantaged. Could this be another example of why this thread could have been called 'Socialism' and the content would have been no different? i.e. Socailism = Hypocrisy

Ah, the old "revert to attacks on spelling and grammar once the argument is lost" tactic. :rolleyes: ..... I suppose it beats attacks on sovereign countries though. As for the dictionary, I have an Internet vocabulary for quick thinking and typing (with the odd typo or two thrown in) in order to make a valid point. In the real world, my scribes are more considered and measured so I will not be needing a dictionary / thesaurus any time soon. As you like big words, have Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis on me. There you go, the biggest word in the dictionary - does this make me better than you for using bigger words? Can I now claim the moral and intellectual high ground?

No, the lefties try and take the moral high ground, but the fact of the matter is that WIIP MPs voted in favour of an illegal war on a scale of 2 to 1. This thread is about hypocrisy, which really does apply to Clown and the WIIP.

That's right, most who were against it were WIIP or Lib Dem and the only people for it were the Tories (according to some on here). Reality check time for the lefties. How the hell can you (i.e. the lefties) blame it on the Tories when the votes went 412 for and 149 against when there were only 165 Tory MP's??????? :rolleyes::rolleyes: That's right, without any Tories at all, the vote would have been 247 for and 149 against - I make that not far off 2 to 1 in favour. Yes, that's right, the Tory vote was completely irrelevant. The WIIP, led by Tory Bliar, voted for the War in Iraq, no matter how the lefties try and say otherwise :rolleyes::rolleyes:.

Ah, but the War In Iraq Party had all of the "Facts" at their disposal whilst the tories were only going on what they were told. You could say more fool them for falling for the WIIP spin, as with the electorate at large. But with just 15% of the vote, people aren't falling for the WIIP lies anymore. ...and Clown is at it again today during PMQ's - "10% Tory cuts versus WIIP investment". This guy makes Tory Bliar look like a decent and honest politician.

'They' being the people the War in Iraq party have been trying to spin for the the last 11 years at all costs. Even the spinning of "getting on with the job" means that they are not actually getting on with the job, but trying to convince us that they are. If they were genuinely getting on with the job, they would have no time for spin and the media, but what do you expect when the dark lord is pulling the strings.

... or indeed a celebrity entrepreneur whose catch phrase is "You're Fired" when millions are joining the dole queue. They don't call him Gordon Clown for nothing, you know.

Perhaps you need a name change? LTF, on the one hand you distance yourself from the War in Iraq party when it suits (as they are not socialists), then on the other, you defend them and Mr 15% to the hilt and shout about your party membership.

....but the Peace Ambassador to the Middle East won general elections. He made the War on Iraq party electable.

I think he does that when he's lying

Are you serious? Trying to portray Labour Cuts, yes that's Labour CUTS as investment, in front of the nation during PMQ's is an outright lie. He knows it, you knows, I knows it.

Out of interest, who else was on the Labour shortlist???? That's right, no-one. Clown got the PM position that he felt was his right. Going off on a tangent, I do wish he would drop the "getting on with the job line" (referred to in the article), because hearing all of the lefties spin it day after day after day, hoping that we will fall for it, is getting beyond a joke. On top of this, he states "I will not walk away" as if he he doing us a bloody favour. As for the "do nothing" party with "no policies" jibes, why does he not call a general election? If his opposition has no policies and will do nothing, then surely this will be his best and only chance to win the popular vote. Or maybe he is a true leftie in that he would feel too compassionate and guilty about the impending slaughter that the tories would face. Get this fool out now! PS Tony, all is forgiven, please come back Alan Johnson (ever peter bleeding mandelson) please step up to the plate before this totalitarian economically-inept and pathalogical liar destroys whatever great is left in Great Britain

You might think I am a bit of a Camel Toe for this, but here are a few more....... If you want to keep camels, have a big enough door. Afghan Proverb ( - ) The camel and his driver -- each has his own plan. African Proverb ( - ) Better a handful of dry dates and content therewith than to own the Gate of Pea****s and be kicked in the eye by a broody camel. Arabian Proverb ( - ) He who steals an egg will steal a camel. Arabian Proverb ( - ) IF the camel once gets his nose in the tent, his body will soon follow. Arabian Proverb ( - ) Trust in Allah, but tie up your camel. Arabian Proverb ( - ) He who rides a camel should not be afraid of dogs. Berber Proverb ( - ) Is the white camel made of fat? Berber Proverb ( - ) Better half a donkey than half a camel. Egyptian Proverb ( - ) If you love, love the moon; if you steal, steal a camel. Egyptian Proverb ( - ) The barking of a dog does not disturb the man on a camel. Egyptian Proverb ( - ) One camel does not make fun of another camel's hump. Ghanaian Proverb ( - ) When a camel is at the foot of a mountain then judge of his height. Hindu Proverb ( - ) Be like a camel -- carrying sweets but dining on thorns. Indian Proverb ( - ) When a camel is at the foot of a mountain only then judge his height. Indian Proverb ( - ) A camel does not drink with a spoon. Iranian Proverb ( - ) Where the camel is sold for a cent, the ass is worthless. Iranian Proverb ( - ) It is easier to make a camel jump a ditch than to make a fool listen to reason. Kurdish Proverb ( - ) Good advice once was worth a camel; now that it is free of charge, no one takes it. Lebanese Proverb ( - ) If you fall in love let her be a beauty; if you should steal, let it be a camel. Lebanese Proverb ( - ) Two things cannot be hidden: being astride a camel and being pregnant. Lebanese Proverb ( - ) Little by little, the camel goes into the couscous. Moroccan Proverb ( - ) The elephant's track treads out the camel's. Nigerien Proverb ( - ) Trust in Allah, but tie your camel. Old Muslim Proverb ( - ) Trust in God -- but tie your camel tight. Persian Proverb ( - ) Death is a black camel that lies down at every door. Sooner or later you must ride the camel. Saudi Arabian Proverb ( - ) Death rides a fast camel Saudi Arabian Proverb Trust in God, but tie your camel. Saudi Arabian Proverb At twenty a man will be a pea****, at thirty a lion, at forty a camel, at fifty a serpent, at sixty a dog, at seventy a monkey, and at eighty nothing. Spanish Proverb The last straw breaks the camel's back. Traditional Proverb * denotes a proverb from a 'culture' (or ethnic group) within a country or that spans several countries. Death is the black camel that kneels before every door. Turkish Proverb ( - ) …but my personal favourite is……. When a slave mounts a camel he wants to ride on both humps. Egyptian Proverb ( - )

I see that they have started up cruise holidays in the region http://www.tothepointnews.com/content/view/3617/85/

Are there too many Ronaldo threads???

Just wanted to bump this thread. Oh ********, I thought I was on the Motoring Forum

I don't know whether that specific story is true or not, but it is common practice to use overhead luggage or the actual seat cushions to pack out the area around a potentially explosive device - thus absorbing some of the impact should it go off