Johnny Bognor

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OK, I see your point. I read this morning about the people working in some of the meat companies and their treatment is horriffic. Staying 3 nights in a 5* Hotel on a middle east trip, when Easyjet get 1 hour off before flying home on the same route, doesn't stink of mistreatement to me.

.... being treated shabbily is relative. Relative to the rest of the whole airline industry, they are treated extremely well.

Mac

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[i was going to provide an explaination, but didn't want to insult the intelligence of Muppet Show posters. Anyway........] Mummy

Egypt

I'm confused Did you get her a cup of tea afterwards?

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The "Poor Old Rupert" thread in the Muppet Show reminded me of this.... http://www.punchaceleb.com/index.php?top20=all I see he has slipped into second place on the all time list with 129 million punches, which is pretty impressive. What surprised me is that he has received 379 punches this week..... obviously some still feel the need.

I am sure they were to blame in Greece as they failed to grapple with the problems created by the unions. It is clear that they needed their very own Thatcheropoulous to sort things out Hey, there are are good and bad governments of both sides of the political divide. I would never claim all conservative governments are good, whilst all labour ones are bad. As I said earlier in the thread, you heard no complaints from me in the early Bliar years. My politics probably sit in the centre/centre right, where wealth creation would be the focus (for the benefit of all). The politics of the left are based on envy and that would never sit comfortably with me. I am a natural optimist and have a positive mental attitude. Therefore, of the 3 parties, the only representative is the Tory party. Not an ideal choice for me, as on the left you at least have Labour or Lib Dems to choose from. As it happens, I am not too fussed on Dave's lot to be honest. Too wishy washy media-led PR bull**** for my liking. Would prefer someone like Portillo running the show IMO. Having said that, I recently saw a manifesto from Doug Richards (of Dragons Den fame) based on an "Entrepreneurs Manifesto", with the focus being on wealth creation for all. If this was a real party it woud get my vote hands down and the other 3 parties could go whistle as far as I am concerned. Entrepreneurs manifesto / Declaration of rights http://www.schoolforstartups.co.uk/2010/01/18/the-entrepreneurs-manifesto-declaration-of-rights-empowering-the-new-wave/ If anything, it takes the best of right wing politics and blends it with the best of left wing politics. Have a read as I think it is quite a refreshing read compared to the usual laft/right dogma.

Yes, that is correct, but from my limited knowlege on the Greek crisis, I believe the crisis was a consequence of decades of bargains struck between strong unions and weak governments regarding pensions. The country can't afford the pensions burden (having the lowest retirement age in Europe) and when this was made known, it triggered the crisis for them. So I think it has more to do with Union power more than anything else. That is my understanding, but I am happy to be corrected on this. (..and before Bungle gets on my case, Ashcroftopoulous didn't pay me to say that :-))

Being a really good leftie, you would have given your bag of scratchings away, had a pint bought for someone else and given your whippet to someone more deserving.......otherwise it's just me, me, me I suppose he has a lot in common with Fraudon himself.

I suggested earlier in the thread that the markets may not take a positive view on a hung parliament. I got this response from Bungle As you are of a different political persuasion and have intimated that you agree with my original statement, forgetting all notions of common sense and looking at it from Bungle's point of view, it would suggest that you too have been bought by Ashcroft. If you have (as I have according to Bungle), I wanted to know how much you got paid. HTH

Has Ashcroft got to you too?????? :rolleyes: How much did he pay you???? Just want to check that I haven't been done :smt044

We'll have to agree to disgree on this and when we get a hung parliament in the not too distant future, we will see what happens. Charter 2010 are an independent body setup to consider the consequences of a hung parliament. The founder Lord Owen (the former Labour minister and SDP leader) warns that A return to the "utterly dreadful" political vacuum of 1974 could destroy international economic confidence in Britain just when it needs it most, Lord Owen warned this morning. Interviewed on BBC Radio 4's Today programme, the former Labour minister and SDP leader urged positive and early discussion of how to turn a possible hung parliament in 2010 into a stable and representative government capable of tackling the UK's fiscal crisis head-on and protecting our AAA credit rating. Has Ashcroft bought him too? It is clear that in terms of dealing with the defecit, under these conditions, concerns those of all political persuasions.... http://www.charter2010.co.uk/news/pros-and-cons-hung-parliament Most investment experts expect shares to fall if there is a hung parliament http://www.charter2010.co.uk/news/shares-will-fall-if-theres-hung-parliament However, it appears that a hung parliament is preferable to a Fraudon government. http://www.charter2010.co.uk/news/split-decision-better-brown-victory. I suppose being able to do nothing is better than allowing Clown to **** it up even more. For the interests of balance, however, this is an interesting article that supports your view: http://www.charter2010.co.uk/news/tory-blackmail-claim-over-money-market-fears However, bear in mind that it is in Nick Clegg's best interests to have a hung parliament as this gives the Lib Dems a real chance of power. Therefore, he wants a hung parliament and so perhaps this is not so balanced afterall. So, if I've been bought by Ashcroft, you've been had by Cleggy.

Are you seriously suggesting that the mountains of debt built up by the UK and Greece are inextricably linked to FPTP voting?????? I thought it was all the bankers fault. It has more to do with the fact that the UK and Greece have had total ****s in charge, rather than how they were (or weren't as the case may be) voted in. No-one voted for Fraudon and no-one voted for Medolsome - you're precious PR would have made no difference.

Out of interest TLS, are you against all forms of discrimination and prejudice?