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From previous threads perhaps they should serve something that TASTES like beer at SMS.... Yeah we know. Pouring rights of course

Interesting analysis. My only issue with all of that mess is WHY oh WHY when we were actually playing quite well did the Execs feel the need to bring the warfare into the open by making that statement only hourse before an important football match, (in which we played like a popped balloon). It COULD have been made on the Monday morning and with a little more care over the wording, but they issued it to score points and our form collapsed from that moment onwards

Yep But again, it is probably in about 4,000 shades of grey knowing our history and by the time anyone who may know a way to find out DOES find out, we'll have melted down over something else.....

From his point of view it has to be an Olive branch to the others, not the bank, and a REAL pledge to work together. Otherwise we just go back into EGM and turmoil, and let's face it Leon could have done it before but didn't (mind you the black hole was much bigger then) and it will take a hell of a lot of humble pie on BOTH sides.... So needs a middle man and I bet the first approach would be "what work with that *** over my dead body" from both sides

Free Vodka for Ladies at Rock Bottom in downtown Dubai on Tuesday. That's probably sure of better entertainment than at SMS

Or maybe it wasn't Lowe per se..... Or maybe Lowe's grouping did still have some ties or contracts or underwriting with the bank, who can tell. There were also still pro-Lowes still around in the club at the time, possibly including other Directors at the time. That's the trouble with factions, there are always some skeletons in the cupboard who smile and say yes sir while playing politics, BUT as an internet point scoring game I don't think much mileage can be gained for anyone going off down that road

Grudges are never good things. Rows and break-ups can also be hard at the time. But every so often, for the greater good, the people involved in such troubles DO pick the phone up and eat some humble pie in order to move things forward again towards a solution. Maybe, just maybe a short term offer of some humble pie and a few quid will help the club survive long enough to get through the global crash when people have money to spend. they won't get 30mil for their shares in that new tomorrow, but they will all have saved the club and get something. If Leon CAN help, maybe now is the time to make an offer, QUIETLY and behind the scenes (at first)

Why I do believe that by the miracles of modern technology I have been able to use my Sonic Screwdriver to decode the rest of this statement. I think it actually says Originally Posted by Jan the Man with seemingly no plan "We need to make the boys into men and we did that against Sheffield United where we played well, but perhaps today came a little to soon for young players who are not used to playing three games in a week Rupert you tw*t. I bl**dy told you thish would happen at the start of the sheason and you promished me that some CWS bloke told you it vood be ok vid the double training seshions" (didn't quite get the full accent translated but the gist is there)

Well, obviously our legendary double training sessions work then

The only thing he'd have had in his mouth would likely have been his foot... But despite the fact that he was a prize pillock on here and in Bournemouth too often, he did actually get up off his a8se and try and get something done, shame he couldn't have done it less publicly. How much different could things have been IF the 3 amigos HAD found a way to work together at that meeting? If nothing else, the cost cutting could have started sooner which as others have said MAY have eased the situation this year. And in a speculative vein, would Rupert have got the carte blanche for the "experiment" with the others around him in a team working together? Would the mess be even bigger now? Would Burley have lasted until Scotland paid us for him? Would NP have got the job? Would we have wasted so long with Dodd & Gorman... ah back in the land of if only's and missed opportunities

We simply need to survive as long as possible. Outside investors are watching their assets melt down and aren't doing anything except hoarding cash. Morph's team are in (IMHO hopefully) the background and in all likelihood could now afford the club IF they want to talk to Andrew or Rupert, but also are probably trying to play Russian Roulette to get the price down a little more. Leon could help in the short term but has to swallow some of his pride, as would Rupert. Who could bring the pieces together? Probably not even Dr Henry Kissenger Survival until the world stops spinning downwards and we can start to see the bottom and we have a chance of finding a saviour, right now we would need 2 to 4 million to get through admin and I can't see it being enough to build a team to keep us even in League 1.

In terms of the "where are we now scenario" the publication of the minutes may upset some people, but as many have now seen, the meeting appears to have been professional and business-like which probably surprised many. They did TRY and find common ground to work together and recognised many of the problems. But we see a situation where Leon was agreeing with many proposals, and yet only a month or so later managed to pull off his own "coup" and take sole control. Are the minutes as useful as we would liked to have thought or were they the starting point of the real battles and mess developing?

Simple Allegedly supplied by a source who is believed to have spent a few months studying earlobes and handwriting on used memo pads in 10 different hotels within 20 miles of Runnymede and who isn't Trousers The parties agreed to the meeting being minuted. Minutes were taken. A party didn't wish that the minutes should be published as that was different from having a record of the event. The minutes were not published or circulated or signed and so did not become minutes so became ITK speculation. People associated with the meeting were more discrete and professional than previous ITK'ers HTH

Simple answer. Stop reading this place, stop reading the press about us Turn up and have a bet on us losing because you already know what will happen and that will help pay for the car and tax free in the ground And it will be better than a trip to the dentist just

lol You're nearest, the Showtime crew head down to Buddha Bar after work, and the man will be most likely staying at the Montgomerie.

Yep. On the experience side I'd actually agree with him on that and then say, yes but it is 10 years of football BUSINESS experience. Unfortunately we need that in the Boardroom right now to battle the bank and other creditors. As DoF we need experience gained ON THE PITCH and IN THE DUGOUT. Successful businesses focus on the strengths of ALL the members of the team from the bottom down. Unsuccessful businesses have too many Jack's of all trades and masters of none. The concept of a DoF in the "Rupert" vision being one of planning and continuity is I think a good one. (But VERY difficult to get right as Spuds have shown) The PROBLEM is that at the moment, JP needs some HELP which can best be given by a "wise old footballing head". The day I meet or find a way to create the "perfect employee" who knows how to do everything without any coaching/mentoring/training is the day I could conquer the world in ANY line of business. I sure as heck never succeeded in my career without a lot of help from outsiders. I think that JP has the talent. He needs a helping hand right now, as he is floundering, and while Rupert (in this structure) has a small part to play in that help, there is a jigsaw piece missing. (Maybe Hoddle's visit this week is a place to start, at least let him and his experts (Javi lol) have a long lunch with JP & the guys)

Back to the which reason is the right one argument, but the general gist is still, too many years of too many bad decisions by too many people. In "kind of" agreeing with the title of the thread though, my gut feeling (and I posted at the time) was that it was one gamble too many. The gamble with kids could have (and still could) work. The gamble with the coaching set up could have (and still could work) but for BOTH to work together was IMHO a step too far. There was a piece of the jigsaw missing in the structure, and as it stands now that is a DoF with EXPERIENCE to act as mentor to the coaches. Forget their "personalities & foibles" for a moment, but someone with the EXPERIENCE of a Venables, Pleat, Graham, Robson et al would have helped keep a steadier hand on the tiller IMHO of course. One gamble too many is still my feel and as we run out of money the options shrink.

OMG somebody else holds the same weird idea that I have.... After all it's as likely as absolutely nothing suddenly deciding to explode (Sort of a Men in Black necklace on the cat type of thingy)

Ah yes the billions coming in... "It's difficult, the funds are tight. We were talking about selling players in January," Redknapp said. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/tottenham/3260918/Harry-Redknapp-appointed-Tottenham-manager-as-Juande-Ramos-sacked-Football.html

Don't see Gillett as a right winger, so would expect him to start in the middle with MS on the bench OR Lallana on the right with Skacel in the hole if that's the starting 11,

Yikes, has he been reading our PR machine's output? If he posted his opinions of us on here like that this place would go into meltdown ironic winkey smiley thingy

Is that the same Euell who last week wasn't ready for physical contact and has played one reserve game? Mind you when did he last contact anyone physically on the pitch?

Reading between the lines of what is happening, I think Bart will go on loan to a lower league club so that he gets first team football between now and January and is then "ready" to replace KD. From what many say he isn't ready at the moment so this would make sense as I doubt he is a "high earner"

I actually agree Sue. I'm really torn between what we need "at this moment" and "building a sustainable future" Obviously survival is the key to a future, and the squad lacks the wingers to make the DMG type player work in the centre, so I worry that we don't have the players to fit the style at the moment (Holmes is a big miss IMHO). So the decision for me is expediency or planning. I've built a successful career on planning, but I was lucky that I also had creativity to change things within the plan when circumstances changed. I THINK that just at the moment we need some of that creativity with our plan at SMS, don't undo the whole thing just a few short term tweaks so that we have the chance to survive.... SJ didn't fit the system or the cost base, he's gone. I think it would have been easier to tweak the system than the cost base so he would still have to be gone. BUT his going is not QUITE as black and white as being made out, there are some shades of grey in there when looked at from the system side... (But then is the system the right one.....hmm)