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Your post will be answered by a golf laden response + how one day he will share some information with us all.

That's not quite true. In the last set of accounts just under 2 million has been paid back to her.

So a few new faces around us and giving the number of season ticket sales, I am assuming most of them will be there for the season. Most seem decent, but a couple of rows back, there's a very loud "Get it in the box" gentleman, who felt the need to repeat that sentiment every 5 minutes. Problem was 70% of the time we didn't have anyone in the box and when we did they were 2 foot smaller than the Centre halfs :) :) Anyone got nightmare neighbors this year?

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/man-dies-after-being-tasered-by-west-mercia-police-officers-telford-shropshire_uk_57b18ffde4b01ec53b3facd9? Great player in his day. RIP fella

Scary, that a poster with 15,000 posts (So obviously mad keen) doesn't have smallest grasp of our finances, yet will happily contribute and comment on anything Saints, including purchases and player sales. The "if True" bit can be answered by our last set of accounts, so no need to deal in fiction.

Completely agree on both points. I am happy with the signing and potential huge talent .... Out wide. We want our teams and players to be successful and sometimes overly defend them or convince ourselves they are better than they are - Which is fine, part and parcel of being a fan but there was a lot of "emperor clothes" going on yesterday with Redmonds performance. Watching from the Northam (So better placed to comment on the first half as opposed to the second) was almost painful at times, as he just didn't seem to have a clue, from his positioning, to his runs, to his execution or his awareness of others around him, he seemed to be knocked off the ball with complete ease. Now he might end up proving his doubters (As a striker) wrong, but this is my point..... from what I saw yesterday, that's going to take a whole load of time and given the apparent system we play and our current striking options, I don't think we have that time to invest, especially when he could add so much more in a different position. Every player can have a poor game and strikers that have a poor game but end up with the equalizer or winning goal are quite entitled in most cases, to stick two fingers in the air at their dissenters, but for me this wasn't just a poor game, it was someone relearning their trade. And as originally posted - That's not his fault.

Please put me on Ignore, because that's just complete nonsense. He didn't know if he was having a sh!t or a haircut in the first half and before you tell me he scored our equalizer, I know......... he would have also scored that had he been playing in defense or midfield......... A striker he is not and given our options up front, we don't have the time to try and make him one. As poor a debut as I have ever seen and it wasn't even his fault. He didn't decide he was as striker, we did and we need to change our minds.

The club have consistently said that the club needs to live within it's means and has to be self sufficient. That would rule out 32 million pound signings.

According to Le Tiss tonight (Night with Matt Le Tiss at Concord club - Question and answer session) he thinks we are done with transfers both in and out for this window...... He had just spent the day with the manager and players at Staplewood. Although he did say he hoped we would go in for any class players that became available.

Really sorry, but that is almost all complete rubbish - and most points available in the public domain. The 4 million pounds we paid Aviva when we got back in the premier league within five years, should be enough to prove it.

Completely echo that and clearly a journo who knows his stuff

Don't Know but the whole first team squad including Puel were out there on Saturday night.

When in doubt ........ Spend

It's an interesting one for sure and he was a strange man at best (I think it was you who I asked to take down my post about the Mars bar incident - which you kindly did) but with the dust firmly settled now, I would probably end up on Saint Fred's side of the fence. Turkish is well informed and the Reading match was indeed the beginning of the end. You only have to listen to Atkins interview after the Coventry match and Premiership promotion, to know that things weren't what they seemed. There is loads more stuff, that (Especially at the time) if it made it to this forum would have been laughed at and dismissed out of hand, That said, I still believe that his bloody mindedness, his total belief if what he was doing, the perfectionist in him (Albeit with someone else's money) and his pure determination, played a huge part in the back to back promotions and where we are today. The reality was obvious, even at the time, yet none of us really paid it any attention. It could NEVER have lasted. You simply cant have a single person in charge of your asset, where you have no say or control and debts were being accrued. I'm not sure he will ever make the Saints "Hall of fame", but regardless of what you think of him or his faults, rightly or wrongly, he is actually a significant person in Saints modern history.

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Wow - It actually scares me that we have fans, that genuinely think like this. Unfortunately you are not alone, but that simply means, more morons and not that you are right. To quote the only reasonable part of your post "Risk takers they are not" ....... correct and what a ****ing good job too. The last time we had risk takers at the helm, we ended in in League one, on minus ten points..... Do you remember that??????????? Money in football, buys you nothing, no guarantees, no certainty and simply fuels the merry go round. If we went and brought a 30 million pound player on 100k a week, who then went and had a fantastic season, what do you think would happened when Man Utd or whoever came in at fifty and offered to double their wages? Bearing in mind it was the double your wages offer that we made originally and the 10% of a huge transfer fee that attracted him to us in the first place? We are not a man utd, man city, Chelsea or even Liverpool - We simply can't compete financially..... just like whoever you work for, wouldn't be able to compete if a competitor came and offered you twice as much money to do the same job for them. What we do have is a Club that has a history, philosophy and ethos of how they want to play, where they want some of those players to have come from and to be self sustaining. Regardless of what any of us think of the individuals involved, since they took over, that has seen unprecedented success and year on year growth..... And you still complain !!!!!!!!!!! It's ****ing hilarious. And the really funny part is when we don't finish as high for this next season ad we did the last .....and we almost certainly won't, you will think that completely vindicates your opinion .... it doesn't. There will be no spending big, or above our means and that's fine by me and if that is what you want or expect, it might be time to head up the M6, which would give you a choice of two.

Absolutely nothing like us.

According to the audited accounts, the biggest the debt ever got to was 70 odd million. That debt is now reduced to 60 million, with interest paid to date at 1.3 million What is unclear is whether that last set of accounts, included the Lallana, Shaw, Lovern, Clyne, Chambers and morgan money. It if did, then with last years TV money as well, it would not be inconceivable (Especially now with the Wanyama and Mane money) that the debt is cleared, or at least the money is there to service it. What is clear now though, is that the club will be self sustaining, so we wont see any huge investment from the owner and transfer money will come from the TV deals and player sales, so poor old saintRobbie, is going to be massively disappointed if he thinks there is a kitty of 200 million. Additionally people seem to forget we have a fairly large squad and without pretending to know the full in's and out's of the Financial fair play rules, am guessing last season we weren't a million miles away from our limit of what could be spent on wages.

We have to pay back the 60 million pounds of debt we spent in getting to where we are now - Please stop your nonsense.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/06/27/liverpool-could-end-up-paying-385m-for-sadio-mane/ Could rise to 38.5 according to the Telegraph

I am not saying we do..... At all. But we still have 60 million of debt, so I would suggest it is to service that.

Show me the profit ............ In the first year back in the Premier League. Cortese took a loan out against future ticket & season tickets sales. Given that comes to around 12million, we can probably guess that the loan wasn't much bigger than that. The second year he took a larger loan out based on all income including television rights and there was a charge against every asset, fixture, fitting, player, stadium, training ground, houses etc. etc. The signatories on the loans, was Gareth Rodgers and I think from memory (I could be wrong) Cortese as well (These documents are available from Companies house for two pounds each). Both Charges have now been settled, so there is no debt outside of the Directors loans from Katrina, which I think the last set of accounts showed as 60 million ( Someone on here will have the exact figure) So since the family took over (And including the initial purchase price) as of the last set of accounts, it looks like we are 60 million down. Given that includes around 40 million on the training ground. That is pretty incredible. Additionally what will be interesting is to see how much of the 60 million has now been paid off from the players sales (Which I think will include, Lallana, Lovern etc) when the next set of accounts is released. But...... with the new TV money (And I could be way off here) and potential player sales of Wayanama and possibly Mane, there could be a completely clean balance sheet and all debts settled. That would simply be incredible, from the standing start of minus ten points in league one, to a top Premier league club, playing in Europe. I couldn't even guess at the value of the squad let alone what the whole club is worth now, but as an asset it must be one of, if not the biggest in Katrina's portfolio. The club will absolutely have to be self funding and probably has for the last couple of years, so that shouldn't bother people, but at that point in which debts are settled, I don't think you will see Katrina repeating loans and investments to tune of what she has done historically. Additionally worth noting that Cortese is on record as sneering and laughing at the clubs who took the types of loans that he did. in fact he even said he would never do it..... but he did in very first year back in the prem.

Is when we have a squad full of players that no one else is interested in. Due to scouting system, the black box, the Southampton way, luck, Les Reed, MP, Koeman or who or whatever, that is not the case and the big teams want our players. As frustrating as it, it is genuinely a sign of success and the fact that we continue to show year on year improvement, is incredible and testament to the club and staff behind the scenes. Once you get your head round the fact that the club has to be self funding, that players would rather play for a Liverpool than a Southampton and earn twice as much money, then it becomes slightly more palatable, when these players leave. In fact, it becomes almost a necessity for the club to grow, as long as the money is spent well and to date our track record is excellent in that department.