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Quite so .. There is a certain irony in the fact that many on here are complaining about the injustice of the fact that we have failed to cheat the spirit of the rules on a technicality ...

Didn't Sir Alex once describe Ince as a "big time Charlie" or something like that ...?

Also, nobody likes him ... perfect ...

How about ****ney with a capital C

Regarding the swearbox filter thing it seems to be OK to call someone from the East End a bastard but not a ****ney .. strike a light ...

Yes, it's hard to know what goes on behind the scenes especially with a fat lager-swilling ****ney bastard like Mike Ashley at the helm... but the fact is that I just cannot stand Dennis Wise (or Vinnie Jones for that matter) and will take any opportunity, however irrelevant, to slag him off when his name comes up.. it's just blind prejudice from me I'm afraid ... no reasoned arguments or anything like that ..and even though King Kev gets a bit emotional about silly things (like Fergie and being 11 points clear in the Prem) I think it would be fun to have a flawed enthusiast and legend in charge of a third division team playing in front of 32K a week ... and I think he might thrive in a "no lose" situation like ours ... Here's hoping ...

Exactly right - we can hang on to him by making sure that we never go 11 points clear at the top of the Prem ... We can but try ...

I would - KK is 50 times the player and bloke that Wise is ... not that my opinion matters of course ...

What a sad little knob Illingsworth is ...

If Leon put up a substantial amount of cash to keep the club out of liquidation then he was obviously prepared to lose the whole lot rather than let our club die. No-one on this forum has done the same or anything like it - for that Leon deserves a place on the board for as long as he wants it. And whoever is manager, I will be supporting the new owner's commitment to our club by buying season tickets for me and four kids and I will make attendance compulsory. COYR

why?

With all of the "top 4" struggling under a mountain of debt I wonder what motivates people like the Glaziers, Abramovich, Hicks and Gillett to invest such outlandish sums. Are they hoping to make money or is it just an ego thing? Genuine question.

I'm not sure that's right about "kicking" our way out of League 1. I went to see a bottom of League 2 clash at Aldershot last year - both teams played quite good football - plenty of passing it along the deck and movement - it was a lot better than the hoof and hope nonsense that Wotte dished up towards the end of last season.

Actually debt is essentail to our economic prosperity. It is a good thing because it accelerates investment and consumption - it's like a turbo-charger for the economy. Debt only becomes a problem when you either cannot obtain replacement credit and/or service the interest payments on your current borrowings. Even if your business trading model is good, if your debt levels are too high, your business becomes far too vulnerable to unpredictable changes in global financial markets. So, in the long run , your business will be more stable if it goes for slower but sustainable growth and lower debt levels. Shimples! PS - football isn't really a proper business

... spent so much time on this board over the last few weeks/months/years. So, in an effort to ween (sp?) myself off the internet equivalent of heroine, I am going to TRY not to come on here for at least one week.

Obviously Barry Hearn is a short-arsed cocney t**t and we will take 6 points off his scabby little club next season BUT he has got a point. We gambled millions to buy players who might win promotion - the fact that Burley spent huge sums on laughable nonsense like Rasiak and Skacel just compounded our recklessness. We lived way beyond our means and we bought failure - double whammy. A lot of people are going to lose a lot of money as a result of having had enough faith in our club to give it mortgages, overdrafts and credit. None of us is going to lose a penny as a result of Saints troubles. I just don't buy this idea that people should be able to just walk away from their debts when the going gets tough, especially in our case, where all our problems are entirely of our own making. I agree with Hearn - we should by rights have gone into liquidation and faced the consequences ..

Please don't shout at me if this old news but an article in the Times online today states that: Pinnacle Property Consultants, the winning consortium, which has ties to Aviva, Southampton Leisure Holdings’ biggest creditor, has 21 days to secure a deal with Southampton FC. Does anyone what ties there are between the Pinnacle Consortium and Aviva? Does this mean that Aviva are going to become long-term owners of some of the club? If so, then maybe they'll suspend the mortgage repayments to free up funds for short-term investment in players/mamagement etc? Fingers crossed.

1. Is there a God? 2. If there were a God would he/she/it neccessarily be omniscient and omnipotent or indeed the only such God? 3. If so, is there any evidence to suggest that such a God has adopted an interventionist stance towards the world/universe? 4. Even if there were to be an omniscient, omnipotent, interventionist God, do you think that, assuming scarcity of remedial prowess and the need for some sort of rationing mechanism, such a God would devote his resources to reviving Southampton Football Club's fortunes in the face of terrible human suffering caused by human acts such as war, torture, oppression as well as "natural" disasters like earthquakes, floods and tsunamis whose origins are more cosmic in scale? 5. Would you accept League 1 football or even liquidation and the Blue Square as the price for the alleviation of the suffering of a single one of such a God's subjects?

This appears in British Archaelogy Issue no 54 August 2000:- "The excavation, directed by Roland Smith of Wessex Archaeology, took place on the site of Southampton Football Club's new stadium. Only the area under the stands was excavated, leaving the rest of the cemetery and other Anglo-Saxon remains undisturbed under what will be the football pitch and the club carpark. `It is a nice thought to imagine Southampton's Premiership League footballers dancing over all this surviving Anglo-Saxon archaeology', Mr Smith said." Who ya gonna call ...?

exactly ...

That was just a set-up to make our subsequent demise seem all the more painful ... you have to know about thse things ....

Yes I think you're right - sorry ... [smiley thing attempting cheerful indifference through savagely gritted teeth] You get the gist (sp?) though ...

Perhaps my view is simplistic but so too are the demands of the employees' own creditors. I don't suppose HBOS give a toss about Southampton Football Club when hitting late payers with demands for additional interest and worse! Even in these morally ambiguous times, it is not right for anyone, especially an Administrator appointed by the Court, to take the benefit of someone else's labour unless they are 100% sure that they have the money to pay for it. Fry has been gambling with the staff's wages and that is out of order as a matter of morality and law. If SFC cannot pay the staff wages on the day they fall due then, in the absence of a formal waiver from every member of staff, SFC Limited is insolvent. The directors of SFC have a clear legal duty to put the company into administration or liquidation. Please do not forget that Fry's only interest in SFC is to dispose of it in order to realise as much cash as possible for the creditors of SLH plc and to pay his costs. Ultimately he doesn't give a ***t about SFC or its employees.

I'm not am I? Just think it's very cavalier of Fry to continue employing people when he does not have the money to pay them. Surely they should have been warned of the possibility of not being paid before they did the work - so that at least they had some choice in whether or not they worked for nothing ...

That is totally out of order. There's no way that an administrator should be employing people who he cannot be sure of being able to pay - whatever the technical nature of relationship is between SLH and SFC. SFC is insolvent - it manifestly cannot pay its debts as they fall due - so must go into administration or liquidation. I'm surprised that the staff don't lynch Fry and his cronies. Do you think their mortgage companies and other creditors will lend a sympathetic ear on the basis that some kid in a suit is trying to find a buyer? Unbelievable!