Saint-Fred

Lol Man City just got 100 points...the premier league has never ever ever been less competitive! (Unless you think 14 ****e teams losing to the top 6 then drawing games against each other as they don't have any decent players to create or score goals is competitive)

Why do you keep talking about finances? Everyone knows he premier league gets more money... It wasn't a big Spanish team who knocked out Man Utd out of the champions league. Premier league teams outside for big 6 do appalling in Europe and you think the strength of the premier league is better? Cue: "but they have more money?"...instead of that why don't you give some stats which show any of the bottom 14 doing anything other than losing to teams with massively less revenue from other leagues?

Lol 12 out of the last 18 European competitions were won by Spanish teams. The team that finished second in the premier league went out of the champions league to a team that will finish where in the Spanish League? You are mental if you think the premier league is a patch on La Liga. We may have money but the premier league is very very poor, hence Man City finishing with a record number of points etc.

So we are going to be Liverpool feeder club after all...funny how it's all to do with trying to keep one player..yet Hughes is managed with an unhappy Boufal in the squad without hurting morale. The issue was two **** managers who couldn't motivate the squad with or without players who wanted to leave. A decent manager would have dealt with the situation. So now we have to roll over and sell whenever Liverpool come calling again as the "learning" was don't keep players rather than employ a decent manager? The sooner these idiots leave our club the better.

That's not relevant, if they are all rubbish then they will still get draws against each other the same as if they all improved. All this would indicate is that they are all the same level not whether the level is good or bad, improving or declining. Surely the measure of whether a league is strong is how those teams outside the top 6 perform in Europe and how a team coming into the league from a lower league perform. Teams outside the top 6 bomb in Europe...West Ham couldn't get through a qualifier with a minnow, we couldn't get outside the group stages despite a top ten finish, Everton were shocking in Europe but finished top 10, do you really think Burnley will get anywhere? On one of the rare occasions this year, all three promoted sides were safe even before the last day of the season. How does that indicate a league getting stronger? Teams should really struggle coming up, if the league is that strong, competing against teams which have had years of 100m+ pound income but they don't. How many decent players have Burnely got? How does their wages compare to the bottom 4?they should not be able to compete but they do as the opposition is poor. Nine of this indicates teams getting better, it indicates weaker teams who can't compete with the top 6 in their own league, with European sides on a tiny budgets compared to themselves and teams coming up who are not spending 100 m each but easily stay in the league.

Dress it up how you like...if the top 6 are winning more games then it's likely the rest of the league have declined and are less competitive. It's not like the top 6 have won everything in Europe is it? Whereas the league used to be top 6, a middle league and the bottom league, now it's the top 6 and the rest are at risk of relegation. The teams coming up managed to stay up, do you really think that is because the league is more competitive and because teams are takin points off each other? Alternatively is it the "rest" have decline to such an extent teams with small budgets and championship teams can finish safely in mid table?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44103403 This is quite interesting, the record lowest points needed for tenth were last year and this...( didn't do 8th using 10th as a comparison).... I would agree with the articale that the decline in the league is obvious since Leicester won it...how long did Burnley go without winning a game yet still finished 7th?

TBF to the op I think we do need songs for more players...some of them clearly find it encouraging and even acknowledge the crowd. ( Tadic does even if he is running down the wing with the ball at the time!). Bertrand deserves one even if only for his length of service. I think he does care but his natural demeanour doesn't help when there are rumours of him wanting to leave ( even if they are only rumours) as people will read into his behaviour what fits their agenda. However singing any song related to that bunch of ****s for Liverpool is definately out.

That's not the figures I have seen..last 5 years they spent around 340m...to put that in perspective we have spent about 240m in that time, ...over the same period, Liverpoool have spent more, around 450m..and won what? Chelsea, Man U and Man City spent 600m plus in that time...

You must be a Liverpool fan on a wind up surely? Agree he needs a song though..make it more long lasting than the Hughes one which ended its Useful life when we lost the cup semi final. Actually as he will probably leave in the summer it's only for 90 mins so perhaps we can sing(to Robin Hood obvs.... ) "Ryan B, Ryan B running down the wing. Ryan B, Ryan B let Man City win...feared by our defence, in the 96th minute, Ryan B, Ryan B, Ryan B."

They have a good squad but the teams above and around them have spent hundreds of millions more on their squads than Spurs have. Pep would have wanted X extra millions spent on the team (how rubbish was Man City last year before he spent all at money on new goalkeepers? ) and Jose has proved that whilst 200 million gets you to second place, it's pretty ****e football and they lost to all three of the promoted sides. I am not sure either would have won anything with the exact same Spurs squad. They don't work in that way- they buy their success.

Did you know all three promoted clubs beat a top 6 side this year? Put like that it doesn't make our Claude's win, against an Arsenal side which are absolute ****e away from home, that special?

I heard it..TBF it was one of his half hearted wind ups...he even started saying things like, "I am pretty sure it won't happen but" - normally he is much more determined than that....and Coughy just kept repeating that he didn't have a clue what was going on so had to check the table after the game to know what the outcome meant....despite talk****e spending the entire day before bigging up game. He obviously doesn't listen to his own station! (Or is only interested in the top 6) Nice to have a bit of exposure TBH well done the media team!

I 100% believed we were gone..the lack of passion, the lack of fight, the lack of any sort of backbone but he galvanised the team. He threw out those who weren't on board and even when we repeatedly threw away chances to drag ourselves away from the bottom three, he still got them to turn up next game and have another go. It would have been so easy to give up and to think our chance had gone. Whether he gets the job or not, we owe him a debt of gratitude!

Well it doesn't seem to have worked has it? Perhaps we would have been better off with players that the top six didn't want and who we could have kept together as a team? Perhaps then we would be comfortably mid table and not facing a relegation play off? What did we win with those players?

If we beat Swansea the rest is irrelevant anyway? We stay up if we can keep the score down against City.

We've had the net spend debate numerous times, however I think the real crime is spending £225 million on a squad that is performing no better than the Stokes, West Broms and Swanseas who have spent 100 million less? Whatever the plan is for building a squad it's come up really short in some key area's...

I have just been reading the foxes forum..and I thought of this post.... If Puel is so great how come after a few months at Leicester he is back in the same position he was with us? Talk of 30000 people booing him at the next home game, polls over and over asking should he be sacked, do you want him sacked, when should he be sacked.... Talk of boring turgid football... A world class manager couldn't get two sets of fans to turn on him like this deliberately..... So instead of you repeating on many posts about how those wanting him gone aren't man enough to admit they were wrong.... how about you man up and admit you were wrong... He isn't suited to English football and he manages to alienate fans without effort due to, just mentioning a couple of examples rather than a full list, boring sideways football, poor motivation of players and uneccassary squad rotations.

Funny isn't it that some can't see the two aren't related? I am absolutely 100% still glad Puel has gone and nothing will ever change that. I am not really bothered about Leicester and don't wish any bad luck on him so I don't really want to see him sacked but it's pretty obvious that the faults that blighted his time with us continue now at Leicester...you would have thought he would learn, however he did seem quite arrogant so maybe it's to be expected.

It might be worth a listen, however if they were sayi it wasn't a foul 9 put of 10 times, isn't that as clear and obvious an error as you can get? Isn't that what the system is for? if "missed" incidents can be spotted on VAR then the system is still open to Bias. Would the ref in the stands have given the penalty to West Brom if the situation was reversed? I doubt we will ever see that happen for such a small incident as that Liverpool game. Lastly the ref probably wrecked the option of VAR by being so keen to blow his whistle...Would the ref have been so quick to give the foul if the same thing happened at our end? The refs are either cheating or so incompetent it's unreal....in last weeks game...how can the ref not give the foul on Long? How can the miss the blatant back pass?

Lol Gao fell for the oldest trick in the book...when Fat Kat told him they were the perfect management team he should have checked himself before handing over the dosh... Sounds like they have just realised that there was never a plan to stay top 10 and that the "perfect management" team were actually just a couple of bozo's winging it, full of self promotion with a total lack of focus on what is actually important at a football club..... Never mind...I am sure those people you borrowed 200 million off will understand that you were conned and now you are in charge of a ****e team, where none of the players actually want to be there but are payed a fortune anyway and the premier league gravy train money is about to disappear.

I would disagree, they almost definately make those decisions intentionally. The back pass against Chelsea in the league game for example...he would have given that against us in a heartbeat 100%. How many almost identical fouls do you see where our players is booked and a top 6 player is not..these can be within minutes of each other? If that had been Giroud yesterday and Mcarthy dropped the ball, as a minimum VAR would have been used to determine the outcome driven by the "ref in the stands". In an earlier round Liverpool had a penalty given (that they missed if I remember right) that was given by the "ref in the stands" when it wasn't seen by the ref on the pitch...I thought that was not how VAR worked? I thought the ref had to request it? Apparent not if it means influencing a decision in favour of the top 6 apparenlty. It's clear that the referees are cheating to all but those who want the top 6 to be the top 6. I am sure every fan of any other club can give 100 examples of the big club bias..

Pretty much my favourite manager of all time- genuine nice guy- don't think I would want him to come back though.

I do think the owners/senior decision makers at the club do underestimate how damaging selling players to one club in quick succession is? My youngest lad won't support Saints..he calls them a feeder club for Liverpool and can't see the point of supporting a team which is just there to develop talent for another club. Yes players leave, yes we will always sell them to the big boys but to sell over and over to one club damages the view fans have of the club. My lad has chosen not to support a team- probably because he feels the pressure to support no one other than Saints from me and my older son but he is adamant that supporting Liverpools feeder club is not an option for him.. My eldest son hasn't had a players name on the back of his shirt for a couple of seasons now..according to him.there is no point, the likelihood is his favourite player will be sold at the end of the season anyway. No matter what is said about not being able to stop players leaving etc, the policy was one chosen by the club, they chose to sell the club as a stepping stone club where players show no loyalty to the badge as they are just passing through and they have, IMO, damaged the perspective that their own fans look at the club..on top of that they assembled a very expensive squad and hired two idiots to manage them.

**** me that is a **** side...definately straight down again if we end up with anything like that team.