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Does anyone have some input on what sort of players they are....are they destined for stardom?

Sad news Duncan, he was a bit of a hero of mine....I can't imagine him at a retreat though. May he rest in peace.

Mr Blue Sky ELO Something in the Air Thunderclap Newman My kids are primed......I would not mind Stairlift to Heaven Led Zep

It appears that the UAE are going to send arms to Ukraine.

I feel sick.....the proudest I have felt since we got promotion. Well done everyone at the club.

Why thank you for a detailed response. What an excellent way to build your argument. Hats off to you. If there is something I have missed I am open minded enough to take it on board and change my opinion. Could you elaborate on why you think I am moronic?

I wondered if anything had been left out on the website that might have made a difference to perception. I don't believe they are allowed to falsify anything at all but I take your point. That he did it is not the issue, the consent is the issue. If as suggested she implored him and this was said in court then it is difficult for me to understand the verdict.

Have any of you taken time out to read his web site - not written by him.....but by his legal team. It's very very interesting.....it appears to me that he might be the victim of a miscarriage of justice. Read it and see what you think.... Was he charged because he was a footballer? Probably in my view.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=710528605701086 Short cut to a compilation of RB's views on religion. I am impressed.

It's hard to argue against some of the things he says IMHO have a look.....

Interesting thread this. I took my daughter t see him live and I hated every second of it. More and more these days I find myself admiring what he says.....there has to be better ways of doing things. There is no point in voting really, none of the parties are that different etc. Most politicians have the interests of the few at heart, corporations or the City. The media fears him, as I imagine the secret services do in case he stirs up the population and I see the backlash against him as part of an orchestrated campaign to put him down.

Will do Barney....I was chuffed when I saw his pool looking like this.....mad keen Saints fan.....

Its owned by a mate of mine......that is all.

I was at Keele Uni over 30 years ago and I met Neil a couple of times. Once when we (some students) were playing football and he joined in uninvited. To my shame I admit I thought he was a loony and I realise now having seen the program that he wanted to recruit me into his footy team. He asked me to come along and I said something about not having football boots and quick as a flash he said he had lots of pairs. I can't remember how I got out away from him. As programs go there are few that I can recall being as good as this. Really enjoyed it and he is today being presented to the Stoke fans before kick off. Nello!!!! Nello!!!

a You are also entitled to an opinion. You might be bright, you might be dull and ignorant. I will try and help you (if you have some capacity to be helped). I am a fan first and foremost. That's why I sat through every home match for the last ten years, for example. The club was in trouble and needed support badly. I hope you can follow this. Things have changed, Adkins was dismissed and I was disgusted. I came to accept that the club is a business, it needed to move forward etc. What is happening now to this club is plain wrong and I am even more disgusted. I don't have undying loyalties to Saints and neither does anyone, despite what any of us might say. There is a walkaway price for all of us and that price is not based on money etc but on an intangible. A love for the club etc that changes to indifference, a feeling of being taken for granted. Ultimately all of us transact with the club via season tickets and merchandise but all we actually are is customers. Unique customers with a brand loyalty, the club is a business with a loyal following of customers. I have probably wasted my time but there it is..... So I might not bother going for a few games, maybe the whole season. Perhaps I will go to watch the ex Saints at Anfield, Old Trafford or wherever the players end up instead and watch what could have been at St Mary's.

Everyone is entitled to a view St Jersey, even people like you. You might think you have the moral high ground, you might think you are superior to 70's Mike. I am a customer and I have a choice about what I do with my time and money. Having spent £1200 on season tickets for my son and I would I refuse to attend matches? Possibly. What is happening is a disgrace and I do think the club will lose fans through this.

Sorry but this is b0llocks.......having supported the club for 50 years my patience/tolerance is being pushed to the limit.

It was Putin's missile! by Pepe Escobar And here's the spin war verdict: the current Malaysia Airlines tragedy - the second in four months - is "terrorism" perpetrated by "pro-Russian separatists", armed by Russia, and Vladimir Putin is the main culprit. End of story. Anyone who believes otherwise, shut up. Why? Because the CIA said so. Because Hillary "We came, we saw, he died" Clinton said so. Because bat**** crazy Samantha "R2P" Power said so - thundering at the UN, everything duly printed by the neo-con infested Washington Post. [1] Because Anglo-American corporate media - from CNN to Fox (who tried to buy Time Warner, which owns CNN) - said so. Because the President of the United States (POTUS) said so. And mostly because Kiev had vociferously said so in the first place. Right off the bat they were all lined up - the invariably hysterical reams of "experts" of the "US intelligence community" literally foaming at their palatial mouths at "evil" Russia and "evil" Putin; intel "experts" who could not identify a convoy of gleaming white Toyotas crossing the Iraqi desert to take Mosul. And yet they have already sentenced they don't need to look any further, instantly solving the MH17 riddle. It doesn't matter that President Putin has stressed the MH17 tragedy must be investigated objectively. And "objectively" certainly does not mean that fictional "international community" notion construed by Washington - the usual congregation of pliable vassals/patsies. And what about Carlos? A simple search at reveals that MH17 was in fact diverted 200 kilometers north from the usual flight path taken by Malaysia Airlines in the previous days - and plunged right in the middle of a war zone. Why? What sort of communication MH17 received from Kiev air control tower? Kiev has been mute about it. Yet the answer would be simple, had Kiev released the Air Traffic Control recording of the tower talking to flight MH17; Malaysia did it after flight MH370 disappeared forever. It won't happen; SBU security confiscated it. So much for getting an undoctored explanation on why MH17 was off its path, and what the pilots saw and said before the explosion. The Russian Defense Ministry, for its part, has confirmed that a Kiev-controlled Buk anti-aircraft missile battery was operational near the MH17's crash. Kiev has deployed several batteries of Buk surface-to-air missile systems with at least 27 launchers; these are all perfectly capable of bringing down jets flying at 33,000 ft. Radiation from a battery's Kupol radar, deployed as part of a Buk-M1 battery near Styla (a village some 30km south of Donetsk) was detected by the Russian military. According to the ministry, the radar could be providing tracking information to another battery which was at a firing distance from MH17's flight path. The tracking radar range on the Buk system is a maximum of 50 miles. MH17 was flying at 500 mph. So assuming the "rebels" had an operational Buk and did it, they would have had not more than five minutes to scan all the skies above, all possible altitudes, and then lock on. By then they would have known that a cargo plane could not possibly be flying that high. For evidence supporting the possibility of a false flag, check here. And then there's the curiouser and curiouser story of Carlos, the Spanish air traffic controller working at Kiev's tower, who was following MH17 in real time. For some Carlos is legit - not a cipher; for others, he's never even worked in Ukraine. Anyway he tweeted like mad. His account - not accidentally - has been shut down, and he has disappeared; his friends are now desperately looking for him. I managed to read all his tweets in Spanish when the account was still online - and now copies and an English translation are available. These are some of his crucial tweets: "The B777 was escorted by 2 Ukrainian fighter jets minutes before disappearing from radar (5.48 pm)" "If the Kiev authorities want to admit the truth 2 fighter jets were flying very close a few minutes before the incident but did not shoot down the airliner (5.54)" "As soon as the Malaysia Airlines B777 disappeared the Kiev military authority informed us of the shooting down. How did they know? (6.00)" "Everything has been recorded on radar. For those that don't believe it, it was taken down by Kiev; we know that here (in traffic control) and the military air traffic control know it too (7.14)" "The Ministry of the Interior did know that there were fighter aircraft in the area, but the Ministry of Defense didn't. (7.15)" "The military confirm that it was Ukraine, but it is not known where the order came from. (7.31)" Carlos's assessment (a partial compilation of his tweets is collected here http://slavyangrad.wordpress.com/2014/07/18/spanish-air-controller-kiev-borispol-airport-ukraine-military-shot-down-boeing-mh17/ ): the missile was fired by the Ukraine military under orders of the Ministry of Interior - NOT the Ministry of Defense. Security matters at the Ministry of the Interior happen to be under Andriy Parubiy, who was closely working alongside US neo-cons and Banderastan neo-nazis on Maidan. Assuming Carlos is legit, the assessment makes sense. The Ukrainian military are divided between Chocolate king President Petro Poroshenko - who would like a d?tente with Russia essentially to advance his shady business interests - and Saint Yulia Timoshenko, who's on the record advocating genocide of ethnic Russians in Eastern Ukraine. US neo-cons and US "military advisers" on the ground are proverbially hedging their bets, supporting both the Poroshenko and Timoshenko factions. So who profits? The key question remains, of course, cui bono? Only the terminally brain dead believe shooting a passenger jet benefits the federalists in Eastern Ukraine, not to mention the Kremlin. As for Kiev, they'd have the means, the motive and the window of opportunity to pull it off - especially after Kiev's militias have been effectively routed, and were in retreat, in the Donbass; and this after Kiev remained dead set on attacking and bombing the population of Eastern Ukraine even from above. No wonder the federalists had to defend themselves. And then there's the suspicious timing. The MH17 tragedy happened two days after the BRICS announced an antidote to the IMF and the World Bank, bypassing the US dollar. And just as Israel "cautiously" advances its new invasion/slow motion ethnic cleansing of Gaza. Malaysia, by the way, is the seat of the Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission, which has found Israel guilty of crimes against humanity. Washington, of course, does profit. What the Empire of Chaos gets in this case is a ceasefire (so the disorganized, battered Kiev militias may be resupplied); the branding of Eastern Ukrainians as de facto "terrorists" (as Kiev, **** Cheney-style, always wanted); and unlimited mud thrown over Russia and Putin in particular until Kingdom Come. Not bad for a few minutes' work. As for NATO, that's Christmas in July. From now on, it all depends on Russian intelligence. They have been surveying/tracking everything that happens in Ukraine 24/7. In the next 72 hours, after poring over a lot of tracking data, using telemetry, radar and satellite tracking, they will know which type of missile was launched, where from, and even produce communications from the battery that launched it. And they will have access to forensic evidence. Unlike Washington - who already knows everything, with no evidence whatsoever (remember 9/11?) - Moscow will take its time to know the basic journalistic facts of what, where, and who, and engage on proving the truth and/or disproving Washington's spin. The historical record shows Washington simply won't release data if it points to a missile coming from its Kiev vassals. The data may even point to a bomb planted on MH17, or mechanical failure - although that's unlikely. If this was a terrible mistake by the Novorossiya rebels, Moscow will have to reluctantly admit it. If Kiev did it, the revelation will be instantaneous. Anyway we already know the hysterical Western response, no matter what; Russia is to blame. Putin is more than correct when he stressed this tragedy would not have happened if Poroshenko had agreed to extend a cease-fire, as Merkel, Hollande and Putin tried to convince him in late June. At a minimum, Kiev is already guilty because they are responsible for safe passage of flights in the airspace they - theoretically - control. But all that is already forgotten in the fog of war, tragedy and hype. As for Washington's hysterical claims of credibility, I leave you with just one number: Iran Air 655. Notes:

I agree MLG is a knowledgable postor, keep up the good work MLG!!!!!

Laughable.....I haven't met FF but he has done so much in bringing the history of our club to fans who are only too pleased to read about it. What have you done in this regard? Yep, like I thought, you have done bugger all. I sometimes think we need another forum for normal people who might disagree with each but do so whilst respecting the other person's point of view.

Tony Benn is my absolute hero.....I have met the man, read his diaries and I agree an awful lot of what he has said. If I have the energy and commitment that he had well into my 80's I will be chuffed. The NHS will get privatised, education will deteriorate, we already have zero hours contracts etc. None of which matter to me as can probably afford to fund operations etc. You takes your choices.....

I liked Bob Crow. He spoke up for the working man. How many politicians do? Zero hours contracts.....some one has to protect workers being exploited and now that he has gone who will do this on a workers behalf?

Max Hastings made some sensible points on this. The Crimea, according to him, haa a special place in Russian hearts. A million died defending it against the Germans. It is always difficult to deal with different ethnic minorities in a country. From what I have read, this Ukranian govt change was a coup encouraged by the West where US leaders visited a country and actively encouraged (financial backing) opposition groups to bring about the coup...I think it has to be a coup. What was John Kerry doing there?

For me to acknowledge a recovery has started I would need to know how much food or clothes has been bought on credit....I would also like to know in the employment figures whether the number of jobs created are part time or full time and whether the sorts jobs created would enable the job holders to be able to afford a mortgage. We need to buy stuff made in this country, buying foreign made TVs fridges etc

Yep have a tenner on me.....donated