Ken Tone

Varies from area to area. Were you actually doing 35-36 mph or was that what your speedometer said? Most, if not all , car speedos read up to 10% fast, though the percentage error can also vary with speed. So if your speedo read 35, you might well only be doing 32 or 33, and most (but not all) police forces allow approx 10% plus 2 mph over the limit before they take action -- ie c35 mph in a 30 mph zone-- so you ought to be ok If, on the other hand, you were actually doing 36 mph as read by your satnav or a 'road angel' device, based on GPS and dead accurate, you are on more dodgy ground.

So are they really brave or just stupid?

It is dangerous to use forums like this as a guide to overall public opinion, but there does seem to be a feeling in England (no idea about N.Ireland or Wales) that we'd quite happily do without the Scots. "Sod 'em then" Seems to me there is a real possibility that the Scots will vote to stay in the union, but that if the rest of the UK were allowed to vote too, they'd be thrown out anyway!

Half a dozen claymores and a 'Glasgow kiss' !

I am still gobsmacked that Hall and the hosts of the website ( Colin Farmery?) were prepared to take such a big risk of being sued. The onus would be on them to prove their allegations , not on Chainrai etc to prove their innocence. These are just ordinary blokes; they could lose their homes if they lost a big court case. Speaking to mutual acquaintances, I gather they seem to believe that if they send their stories to Portpin in advance and seek comment point by point, they are safe. Hence the big list of questions they also publish. The logic is "we asked you if you were a crook. You said 'no comment', so we're safe to publish that you are a crook". Seems a bit dodgy to me. I wouldn't risk my house on that basis! And it is surely telling that media companies with insurance are not prepared to take the risk.

A cherished insttution that is the envy of most civilised countries....except that little part of the universe inhabited by Alpine. Of course it is not perfect, in fact it is flawed, but nonetheless it is a damn sight better than anything else out there.

But a real man like Turkish wouldn't even have gone down apparently.

No , I thoughtthat Warnock ruined his original strong reaction to this assault by saying that Kirkland had gone dpwn like a ton of rocks , implying that he'd made a meal of it. He didn't by the way IMO. He'll be lucky if he doesn't suffer bad whiplash.

I see bloody warnock covered himself in glory again. He just couldn't stop himself could he ... Kirkland 'went down like a ton of bricks ' he says

Reminds of the Jo Caulfield line where she talks of how proud her Scottish husband dis of being Scottish ..how proud of Scotland.. how patriotic etc , how much he loves Scotland, but of course not so fond of Scotland to want to actually live there!

..... and the Orkneys, and the western isles ,and ........ They all historically were separate kingdoms or fiefdoms. There never really has been a united all-Scottish kingdom. The whole idea is a romantic invention of Victorian England ironically.

No even she is not claiming they have £4 million yet. Note the "much of it "weasel phrase. I believe they got about 2000 pledges of £100 plus an unspecified vague amount from 'high net worth investors', who may have given them real money or may have used 'monopoly money' promises. i'd guess they only have between £250,000 and £500,000 in ready cash, with promises/pledges of up to £4 million. They cannot meet the condityions for the PCC loan, so they are forced to trust this property developer .

Presumably anyone living permanently in Scotland would be offered Scottish citizenship, regardless of ethnicity ( ie including native English) and others could keep their 'new' British status. The Brtish armed forces would certainly allow scottish people with a british passport to continue to serve, and would probably allow existng serving membrs with a scottish passport to serve, but maybe not recruit new ones. After all we have serving members of the armed forces who are gurkhas etc. Personally I'd say take british citizenship or leave if you want to be Scottish, but I suspect we 'll be too 'nice' for that! What would be hilarious to see is how an independent Scotland coped with european laws preventing discriminition against EU citizens. They would for example lose the legal loophole by which they currently give free uni education to Scots but not to English students. So they'd either have to fund hordes of Englsih students avoiding the £9000 a year fees, or more likely, start charging their own undergraduates the same fee. One immediate 'popular' consequence of independence?

Yep ---damn silly idea, totally pointless, unnecessary waste of time and public money to elect these commissioners in the first place , but I'm in the 'anyone but Mates' camp.

Doesn't have to be that subtle even. Their 'friends' will own the ground from day one, but promise to sell it to them one day honest

The only way the trust can be majority shareholders is if the club (mostly them) is owned by a completely separate entity from the ground (owned by 'friendly' developer) So the plan is basically, buy the 'goodwill' of PFC and rent the ground from a new dodgy bloke. Totally different and innovative, community-owned my arse !

Picked a pitiful few sloes last weekend, and just started of this year's lot after leaving them a few days in the freezer. Hardly any berries around at all. No apples from our trees, only a handful of (outdoor) tomatoes ripe before the plants died off, only about a quarter of the usual yield of courgettes, etc. It was the sort of summer that would have caused a major famine in earlier times, and still would in some countries. God knows how birds and other wildlife will survive this autumn with so little to eat. (Though we seem to be feeding a very cunning wood mouse in our kitchen!)

The newsthump tale on this -- http://newsthump.com/2012/10/17/england-players-provoked-crowd-taunts-by-being-black-claims-serbian-fa/ Come to think of it, it's about time Rallyboy started writing for newsthump!

Of course, there is nothing to suggest that these were offers of a job as a football manager. Doorman on the players' entrance? Car park attendant? Kitman? There you go ---"numerous offers-- but I think I'll stay here on my lucrative 2 and a half year contract, knowing I'm a football creditor and will get my money" (tm B.Chainrai 2011)

Damn. Poetic licence?

NB... on the Telegraph web-site, not the Guardian's and denied by Rusbridger, even in the Telegraph article. Always good tactics to undermine your rivals. I was thinking of starting a rumour that Pompey were in financial difficulties, but no one would believe that.

Thought mine had more comedic value

Koala or grisly?

I have no experience of this sort of case, but judging by legal process in general, They'll be lucky if it only takes 6 weeks. All chainrai has to do is to keep delaying and prevaricating, and the "only allowed one year in administration" deadline will fast approach, quickly followed even if they get a legal extension on that, by the FL "don't start 2 seasons in administration" rule. He is in the position of the false mother in the Solomon disputed baby story. The Trust care more than him about the club. He's not all that bothered is they are liquidated or not. 'Cut the baby in half'.

I see Scott McCochlan (sp?) has reappeared on the News site, in his 'oldredeye' incarnation. To give him his due, and good luck to him, he has started an attempt to walk to the 92 league club grounds in a season, raising money for prostate cancer in the process -- which is presumably really why he packed in POL and passed it over to that Frattoniser nutcase.