Oldandtired

That's the whole point. The PL is a cutthroat, merciless place and time is one thing you don't get. Get it right pretty much straight away, and that's from the top to the bottom, board decisions to manager decisions to player decisions, or you're adrift at the bottom.

You usually only win the lottery once. I firmly believe we went up despite Martin not because of him.

Martin could turn Messi into Manning after a month of Russball.

The crap that comes out of this man's mouth. We're on a journey alright, and with him steering most can see where the destination is.

I'm torn on this one. Part of me wants the club to go there and beat the mighty Arsenal, it's my club and obviously want them to succeed. The problem I've got is that a big part of me also wants them to go there, play archetypical Russball, get right royally rogered, the board to wake up and give RM his marching orders. At the moment I'm undecided as to which I want more.

Amazing insight

Where is the one coming from?

For those who still don’t believe the difference good managers can make I give you Havertz. Going nowhere at Chelsea, reinvented and reinvigorated under Arteta. It makes me wonder how well some of the players, usually inventive, creative players that Martin didn’t rate, would have done under a halfway decent manager.

Watching the Arsenal PSG game what is already obvious is how well and in what numbers Arsenal press. Gulp…

Then what’s the point of supporting them? As I said elsewhere if there was fight, if there was a manager who could adapt to at least compete then I wouldn’t mind. To be honest I think you are the deluded one supporting a manager who clearly isn’t up to it.

Biggest issue is constant team changing? If only. The biggest issue is having a manager who is inept but has a my way or the highway attitude, who thinks that despite the world and his wife ( not only the weird fans) knowing for a certainty that his way won’t work in the PL won’t change, who won’t pick his best team (to be fair there’s not a lot to choose from), who spouts enough crap and hot air to make the planet 2 degrees hotter, the list goes on. I suppose I ought to get off the fence and say what I really think…..

The Brighton manager is 31. He seems competent.

Not only this but they are collectively taking the p*ss out of the fans, the ones who turn up week after week to watch this garbage overseen by a manager whose chief asset is bullsh*t (witness the pressers and after match interviews) which is not backed up by any top level management capability whatsoever. This is seemingly condoned by the owners who by letting it go on would appear to be content with and resigned to the fact that we will go down. They owe it to us as much as to anybody to reinstall some pride in our club. If we were to go down fighting tooth and nail, playing something that at least resembles good football, do you know what I wouldn’t mind. But what we are seeing at the moment does not make me proud to be a Saints fan.

You know you're old when people are talking about false number nines, double pivots, playing with verticality and your immediate reaction is WTF?

Do you reckon they'll do a manager swap?

Just watched a bit of RM’s presser. If bullshit was ten pound notes that man would be a billionaire. Disclaimer . If we start winning I reserve the right to completely change my mind and display how fickle I am and lavish him with praise. If…that word again.

...or realists?

How far adrift at the bottom do you want to be before you decide enough is enough? Unfortunately I don't believe that time is one luxury any manager has in the Premier League. You've pretty much got to get it right straight away.

If, perhaps the smallest word in the English language with the biggest ramifications.

Oh for a flurry from someone in our next few games

Compared to our strikers he is.

I think different opinions are available on that. I keep hearing this stuff about how the Premier League is the best in the world, probably the top eight clubs in it are, the rest are not.

It does seem strange how Che Adams seems to be thriving and scoring goals in Italy playing under a new manager and system.

This is one of the fixtures that in the euphoria of early season I would've hoped we would win. However stark reality has come early this year, just like Christmas in all the big shops, after watching forest and Ipswich a healthy dose of realism has kicked in, so as always hope for the best fear the worst. One thing for sure if Saints did emotional rollercoasters they'd be the best.

So….if, as according to you, we have the players to stay in the league but are still struggling at the bottom both in terms of position and, in my opinion, style of play, where does the responsibility lie? Couldn’t possibly be the aforementioned style of play our manager dictates could it? I can only judge on what I’ve seen at St. Mary’s so far this season, and the politest way I can put it is that, again in my opinion, the way we are playing atm is too naive to survive. I am very apprehensive about our fixtures against the better teams in the division but, as always with Saints, hope for the best, fear the worst.