Farmer Saint

Because it's a theme on this site, and I'm calling it out.

Ah, sorry, yes, forgot that important distinction.

Can't be true, only brown people do that kind of stuff.

Yep, this is where social media is a bitch.

Not necessarily left TBF.

Have you read what she has said? You obviously don't think homophobia is an issue. If this was racism would you support her views?

If people are offended by my use of language, then I apologise, but let's not re-write history because she was the victim of a horrific murder. She left the Conservatives because they weren't fascist enough for her. Her views and discrimination against homosexuals through voting record, quotes etc means that I think she was an appalling person. Having abhorrent opinions doesn't protect you from being criticised, even if you're dead.

Yup. Defo stand by that.

It was tongue in cheek, FFS.

I know who I'm referring to, thank you very much. Good to see I have you to police whether I can think someone is a cunt or not though 👍

It wasn't my first reaction TBF, my first reaction was on the other thread. As far as I'm concerned, they are both cunts, one more extreme than the other, but nevertheless both on that side of the divide. Don't worry though, I'll make sure the next time I look to criticise someone I'll ensure I ask you and Sir Ralph to decide whether or not you condone me reacting in that way about someone.

Again, the whole "I have gay friends" defense is laughable and the last solace of a guilty mind. I would suggest reading the Pink News article above, and would like you to honestly say, hand on heart, that she believed gay people should be treated the same as straight people. I also didn't label you a child killer. I said would you prefer to give a little bit of additional money to families with children to stop child poverty and ensure that more children survived, or not. You wouldn't answer I seem to remember.

Agreed - ironic the type of people that are acting like snowflakes about this.

"Homophobic" describes prejudice, discrimination, or negative attitudes and feelings toward homosexuality or people perceived to be lesbian, gay, or bisexual.

Thank you for putting it more eloquently than I have. I think the issue that Hypo et al seem to have is that they are happy to speak ill of the dead if it is someone they think deserves it (Ian Watkins or Ian Huntley for example), and I'm not even celebrating her death. As I said previously she absolutely didn't deserve to die in the way she did. Doesn't stop her being a right cunt though.

BBC News - MEP Ann Widdecombe sparks fury with gay science comments - BBC News https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48491731?app-referrer=deep-link https://www.thepinknews.com/2026/07/10/ann-widdecombes-dead-lgbtq-track-record/

Why not? Many people have said they find her views abhorrent. In fact, you yourself said that people have a right to think she was a cunt. So why the two tier grieving?

I think many of her views and statements can be seen as homophobic for sure, and I'm not sure that the "She had gay friends" is a suitable defence. Science creating a "solution" to being gay was one of hers. Not sure of the relevance of Islam when talking about Widdecombe. You can be a Christian and be homophobic or not homophobic. Same with being a Muslim.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/may/07/ian-watkins-lostprophets-singer-accused-boasted-guards-fame-court-told

Exactly this. Politics is about opinions. I draw the line at being a homophobe, and that puts her on the wrong side of that divide, that's all.

So you don't think homophobes are bad people then? Just wondering as you seemed to decide to dodge that question.

It was story 12 when it was first posted.

See, I'm not sure I agree with you both there. When H from Steps was murdered in prison a few months ago, or Ian Huntley, there were a number of "glad he's dead" posts, which were not castigated at all, and I didn't say anything anywhere near as extreme as that.

That's fair enough - as you say I certainly am not saying she brought it on herself, but she had some utterly appalling opinions in my eyes - and I would say the same about Farage, Tice and Trump if they were murdered as well. I'm pretty sure I said the same about Charlie Kirk.

Still waiting for you guys to explain why just because someone is dead they can't be a cunt.