Farmer Saint

But you said the following - That statement… Jesus. We are absolutely cooked What's the above got to do with the statement?

What would you have said?

Quoting for my pint.

But did we knowingly break the rules, it seems maybe we didn't - through complete ignorance - but maybe not knowingly broke them.

I disagree, if B is true, then A surely follows. This doesn't affect as much as having a player sent off in a game unfairly, or a penalty given that shouldn't, or offside goal.

The funniest thing is, I still don't see any of this as a big deal. I just don't see the material advantage gained.

Nope, I'm with you.

Not necessarily, time is a healer and this is all still very raw.

Having watched football for a long time, and how one robust challenge in the middle of a game can change momentum, I don't think spying on a couple of teams opens our results up to scrutiny. There are only a few teams with open training grounds anyway. Arsenal don't. Fulham don't. The results weren't fake.

Which I think we did. I think we went cap in hand. It may be that Tonda/Spors didn't realise and sanctioned it, having only recently been in position in this League, Parsons didn't know about it but was aware of the rule etc. Utter incompetence from the club, but this is SR, so par for the course for the last 4 years. We then admit it all and cooperate, inform them of when we did it previously, and this is the result.

Didn't realise that - fair enough then.

It's definitely not part of the coaching badges. Coaching badges are done by the FA, and it's not illegal in all British Leagues, including the PL.

It does happen apparently.

I'm interested with the legal recourse if our appeal fails. Essentially the 14 day response being wiped out is not due legal process, and this could allow a civil suit to be lodged against the EFL.

Not sure anyone has said he won't be banned, as I said above this is all devils advocate. Hope you manage to calm yourself and have a good day 👍

Agreed.

Bullshit because you don't seem o understand it, demonstrated by your analogy that doesn't work. But anyway, let's not bury the lead, CB Fry said he did know, so it must be true.

There are a lot of people on this forum and thread who just can't control their emotions, @CB Fry is struggling with that at the moment. Unfortunately levels of emotional maturity don't follow peoples age.

I get that you are struggling with the analogy, but what you have written above would be illegal in all countries, whereas spying is only illegal in one country, and not even in the top division.

Yes, and that is probably illegal in multiple countries, so he would have been brought up with that rule. He's also not the equivalent of a Librarian - that would be the FA in that analogy. However if it was legal to do that in every other country and he had done it in Germany, Italy etc, apart from being a massive sex pest, why would he come to the UK and think it's illegal?

Because I don't think it is, is it? See, even you don't know the rules and I assume you've been on here a loooonnnnggg time.

Alright mate, no need to lose your temper at 6am. Calm yourself or you'll ruin your day.

But they tend to react to the attacking team.

So, was he assistant manager in the year it took place? Again, why would he know. For instance, do you know it is illegal to gamble in a British library?

He was 25 and an assistant coach at U17 at Bayern Munich when Bielsa did it. Why would he follow that story?