TopGun

And of course in Hawkwind with Silver Machine - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yao_T2adl14

Many years ago, about 1987 or so, was sitting in the New Inn in Bevois Valley, and in came Lemmy and a small entourage. No idea why. I think the New Inn is long gone also (down a bit from the Hobbit) although not been in Bevois Valley for years. I didn't speak with him though as I was a bit overawed!

Plucky gutsy heroes.

There are some basic geological issues at work with that video and similar ones. There are countless places in the world where the local ground water table exists within gaseous rock formations. Sometimes that gas is CO2 and when that occurs and is discovered entrepreneurs sell it to people as naturally sparkling mineral water with life enhancing properties (Lourdes being the most famous example but there are lots of them). Sometimes that gas is CH4 (methane) and in that case it's never been unusual to gain a sporadic flame from water piped from that source if you try hard enough to ignite it. Other gases exist within ground water sources in different places too. Most of those natural gases are pretty harmless within drinking water. Most of the videos that purport to show "fire water" have been filmed in Dakota where there are shallow rock formations containing CH4 as part of the ground water table.

Shale gas has brought prices down in the US. It might do here. Nevertheless once again I quote with emphasis on energy security. That is all.

Don't twist it. I quoted the whole para. I agree employment is a separate issue.

Once again energy security is mentioned in the 2014 independent report commissioned by the Scottish Government. Scotland currently has a moratorium on fracking so the report might be considered more independent. "2.23 The UK Government is supporting the development of the shale gas industry with the aim of delivering a reduction in domestic prices; a corresponding increase in security of supply; and providing economic growth and jobs." http://www.gov.scot/Resource/0045/00456579.pdf

Check out the constitution. https://www.taskforceonshalegas.uk/constitution

If I'm conflating the issues, then so is the independent Task Force on Shale Gas in its latest report published on 15 December: "On the economic impacts explored in the fourth report, the Task Force is convinced that a shale gas industry in the UK has the potential to create thousands of jobs directly and support a wider supply chain indirectly. If it proceeds, the Government must commit to appropriate skills training in areas in which shale gas production will occur. The Task Force concluded that a domestic shale gas industry provides a clear means of strengthening the UK’s energy security and mitigating against potential risks to energy supply." https://www.taskforceonshalegas.uk/news-and-events/task-force-on-shale-gas-launches-fourth-report-on-economic-impacts

Current footballing heroes play for Portsmouth though, says the News. Not a claim the Echo would make about Southampton players.

Badger mentions previously that the Tories in his area are opposed to fracking exploration and says this is different to (Tory) government views and he is right. But it is not a Tory issue exclusively but more one of national needs versus local sentiment. Where shale gas exploration is being proposed in areas that vote Labour locally, the same local political opposition exists. Largely this is because local politicians don't want to upset their voters and want to get re-elected. Where Badger lives in Lancs, there has been a long and protracted planning procedure about whether shale gas exploration licences should be issued at two separate sites. For one site at least, the planning application was recommended for approval by planning officers after an extensive consultation process. The recommendation was put forward because it was felt on balance that the potential beneficial reasons outweighed the potential downsides. The consultation responses from technical and statutory consultees generally were not objecting and those from local communities were in objection. In the end the local planning committee (who are politicians) voted against the proposal against the planning recommendation (made by non-politicians). It was a highly charged decision with external bodies also getting involved to persuade politicians of a particular case. As allowed, the applicant has appealed the refusal and it will be ultimately be decided by central government following an independent planning inquiry recommendation. It will probably be passed. The objectors will probably JR that decision also. In my view, a fracking test bed is required to see whether it can add to the nation's energy security. Three nuke reactors have gone offline in the past week unexpectedly. They are all old. That will happen more. New nuclear is over the horizon. Hinkley Point might start generating in 2025. Construction has not started. Coal-fired power stations are going offline as they cannot meet emission standards. Wind tech is improving vastly but cannot provide baseload electricity. We face an energy gap very soon (where national electricity demand exceeds generation supply at peak times). There is a possibility that domestic shale gas production might help with that problem by providing fuel to gas-fired electricity generation power plants. It needs to be tested to see if it is safe and attainable. And the decisions about that should be made objectively rather than otherwise. The following link shows how the UK's electricity supply is being generated on a live time basis. Always interesting to view. http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/ With thanks to Badger for outlining the Lancs position! Topgun

Quite excellent. And there you have it.

Can't agree with above comments. It should be tested to prove whether it can work safely in the UK and therefore whether it can contribute to our dwindling energy resources and ever more precarious energy security. However it would seem contradictory to run gas-fired power stations fuelled by UK sourced shale gas without having operational CCS to reduce the carbon emissions. I would like to see that resolved before a safe fracking industry is established.

And a bit more from factless: http://m.portsmouth.co.uk/sport/pompey/mikey-harris-pompey-academy-heroes-must-kick-on-1-7118200 'Academy heroes' 'Fratton Park heroics' Complete abuse of the English language.

You ignore the EU issue above. And 3rd runway is potentially a divisive issue which will be elevated above its actual effect by its emotive aspects.

Good marketing analysis carried out by somebody.

Centre of the universe clearly Hypo.

Injury time equaliser for Carlisle. What a choker!

UN agrees 'all necessary measures' against IS. Time for Labour MPs to man up and do the right thing. I'm looking at you Hilary Benn.

Clearly good enough to maintain the revolving door policy of getting in managers and players from higher divisions and spitting them out again for nothing a couple of years later! No need to worry about infrastructure. Although I did notice a skate on the Snooze complaining that there was no lighting in the North End bogs at the last home game. Presumably to match the cold water and lack of paper offered also.

Clearly the two second half goals scored by the Pompey urchins were not wind assisted though, no siree!

Uh, where did I lie? Please tell me and everyone else? [that's a pretty big accusation also]

JC has spent years objecting to things when it doesn't matter. Now it does. He needs to accept that or relinquish the Labour Party leadership.

Para phrase of Buctootim's Daily Mail find of JC. 'It's terrible we must hope it doesn't happen to us inclusive types.' What a leader.

Censored edit for yourself. Nice.