Frank's cousin

"Schlau ,sexy schwul" Being well versed in the Noble Teutonic language, I can confirm this translates as 'clever, sexy, gay' - a perfect description or a is the bear not actually that clever?

Great positive stuff GS. Admirable. But can you please explain how you saw us win those games under NA when his 22 games gave us exactly 1 point per game? Curious as to why you predicted 14 points under NA from those 8, when Adkins form suggested maybe 8 points....

Come on 2 goals Lamborghini second half, can feel it

Careful ;-) think we are still not quite settled on the front 3 behind Lambo , and miss Shaw down the left but apart from that we move the ball well - thing is we all know that defensively we are still a little weak, but lets see how things go with fonte back in

Sorry but the match threads just sooooo depressing with some those in need of therapy - how much negativity can you get in one place ? Jrod cute finish the least we deserve after dominating that half but for a silly error-

The truth is probably somewhere in between. No money left approaching insolvent trading and thus liquidation in any normal circumstance - but in reality, Barclays and Aviva would have know they stood a far better chance of getting something if a new buyer came in - and the infrastructure available as a club was a good possibility of this happening - i think if push had come to shove, Aviva and or Barclays may thave swapped debt for equity and taken contrrol whilst awaiting for a sale...

serously? would you? look at te way he operates - check book charlie - Lowe's mistakes were in selecting managers who were simply not capable of working and bettring the players. The rst of his odd personality as just irrelevent -= the financial side was a model, just that beacuse we kept control of our spending and others did not we were progressively left behind. Redknapp is ONLY ever about himself and showed at saints exactly what he is capable of without any money and the abilty to have a high turnover of players - which is not very much.

great post

Sorry but you misses a fundamental point - with benefit of hindsight,especially in light of what has gone on down the road, more folk now see the wisdom of running a club within our means - our spending and wage policy were not responsible for our down fall, only a realisation that we were unlikely ever to see any progress beyond 12th on a good season.... Our downfall was simply a combination of other clubs spending more than they had + bad managerial decisions. forgetting the CoC ****** for a moment, most are now judging NC on what is happening on the pitch.... The very same thing the lowe haters were telling us 'luvvies' we should do, when trying to point out the pros of sound financial management and infrastructure investment.... And you talk about rewriting history? NC has made Unpopular decisions - which have not gone down with all fans as they were never going to, but the impact these have had where it counts (on the pitch) is hard to argue against. many clubs with bigger budgets than hours have not achieved what we have and still languish after years of stagnation outside the prem...

Whilst what you say is correct .... It's simply down to the PPs. That is ultimately what has kept them alive. Because the creditors agreed to a 500k CVA, and they managed to come to a compromise with players, the 11mil due since last summer allows them to pay all that - which is greater than a liquidation sale - the issue now is that with the 3 mill trust cash + the council loan, they want to pay back some that over time and keep 3 mil or so in cash rather than pay creditors more - in effect doing the same again, only with the creditors being mugs for agreeing to the 500k in the first place....

LOL:lol: how true... the Skates would beliece it, racquelme anyone?

Of course a settlement is desired - best for all parties, and you can bet a settlement will be reached so its a no story - there is nothing out of teh ordinary in this - its a simple issue of contract resolution/termination and as with any HR issue should not really be in the public domain. Fans want to make it an issue because of the their emotional connection to NIge or their dilike of of NC, but from an HR perspective (Human resources not Harry Redknapp just in case) there is nothing remotely unusual...

Agreed - but that was not waht the poster was implying. A compromise agreement usually comes with certain caveats depends on what you agree to. I left a job in the past under such terms, and because I HAD to agree not to work for any competitor for 6 months, The payment was appropriate. all cases will be different. The club still have nige on the books and he is a valuable asset as compensation would be due if he was poached within the period of his contract. If NOge wants to terminate the contract, and not get paid he has that right as well - something he could do if he walks into another job. Fans react emotionally and an a purely emotional perspective its hard to argue against him deserving 2 mil or so for what he did... but that is NOT how life works or a sensible way to manage a business - he IS currently getting what he is entitled to under his contractual terms. If he NEEDS to terminate that contract to get another job, should we really need to carry on paying him as well? Its not as Black or white as the usual emotive gubs like to to present.

''Maybe they never had messi'' like that LOL

er... you missed teh poiint, he IS being paid what he is owed in full on a monthly basis....

Really, I thought most felt Lowe was a ****.... amazing how perspectives change when they suit. We have done nothing differently to most other clubs, and its the 'outrage' of the media and that expressed by football clique that sucks so many in - this is a man paid 100s of thousands a year on full salary at this time, and we are ment to be 'outraged'? FFS get some perspective, real sympathy should be for those millions in this country living below the poverty line, and outrage reserved for those that put and keep them there... I am not sure whether some fans are simply naive or plain stupid - you want everything - a 'family' club, yet expect rapid progress, cheap tickets, yet expensive signings and no wage caps, success on your terms within and environment that is driven by buisness. You can not have it all... and yet those who now pontificate '' rather have our integrity than a prem place and success on these terms''... were the same old complaining about relegation from teh prem in teh first place and blaming all and sundry for having wage caps and lacking investment.....

Which is fair enough, so they will reach a compromise agreement at some stage I would have thought - at present, Nige is geting full whack, which is pretty standard. The word 'sack' in football is wrongly used anyway, as I understand it, it is usually for a summary dismissal, for gross misconduct so no payments woild be due... in this case his contract has not been terminated, but his duties have been removed, so I guess the new terms of the contract have been forced upon him. There will be a resolution down the line, but at least in the meantime, he is not out of pocket in any way - but as you say, a clean break is best for all - they just have to agree on the terms etc. Nige went on hliday, took some time, and is probably now been in discussions with other clubs who are interested, but would prefer not to pay any compensation to saints (again fair enough under the circumstances), so he needs this resolved quickly. I am just a little surprized and saddened that this could not be done between Nige and NC. Nige was probably given a choice of a full contract payout over the length of the contract, or a reduced amount one off paymmnet in full and final settlement - which is again pretty standard I would have thought.

Not sure what went on there but NOthing is Wrong is correct... head up arse moment love it...

The Ipod/phone plug in our car is controlled by me with a Satlinist zeal - My rational being its the last bastion of loud music as Mrs F's c 'restricts' 'noise' in the house. dads of the Worls should unite and bring about a change in legislation that teeny pop is simply not allowed within any vehicle.

THIS x 10 The council figures show a surplus of over 3 million - left after shafting everyone... why is this not directed to credditors.... FFS

Dawes - Nothing is Everything

Feel a song coming on.... And here's to you Mr Robinson Saints fans love you more than you can know... ho ho ho God bless you please Mr Robinson Heaven holds a place for those you prey (pray) (on the gullable skates) hey hey hey.... We'd like to know a little bit about you for our files Going through the candidates to date Laugh about it shout about it when you stuff the Blues Anyway you look at it they lose.... And here's to you ...... Surprizingly prescient of Simon and Garfunkal me thinks

apologies for ignorance but confused now.... I did not see the admin fees outstanding in the list - have PFK already paid tehmselves? This leaves just under 14 mil they have to find... which I gather in their eyes is 1 mil form HNWI, 1.3 mil from share scheme, 1.45 mill from council + PP (how much are they still getting as it mentioned only 5.5 mil in august with currently 4 mil or so in the bankwhich probably ;leaves them a mil or two short to complete all those payments in one go... so plan is obviously to pay back football creditors over a longer period of time... whilsts pending tehir 'income' on players they cant really afford no doubt... where is the transparency from the PST on the figures? And how how much due diligence have the PCC performed on those figures before agreeing to the loan...? They will start L2 with a minimum of 3-5 mil of debt, whilst spending maybe a 1-2 mil on players....is my guess, nothing changes I guess.

... hardly Pulitzer Prize stuff... and not actually any news. Chelsea want Shaw - nothing shocking there, 'continuing dicussions' = increased offer/alternative T+Cs...pretty much expected if they are keen. 'confident' - well would they really publish anything that said 'reducing confidence'... Lots of interest for Shaw (pun intended) andmore to come no doubt. Difference these days is that we are in aposition to ensure any deal must be right for us. Big Test for NC

Everyone has a price... but Luke will be the first test for Cortese with repsect to his 'need to create an environment and culture where young players want to stay' Like most, belive he will leave at some point as offers will eventually become to good to turn down.... but I want to see the club move away from selling th best talent at 17/18 and holding onto these players until they are at least 21/22 - we get the benefit of their talent for several seasons, and also realise their TRUE value. He develops at the rate he has done, in 3 years time he will be 25-30mil. I just hope Luke recognisies that he is better off here for the time being regards his development, and is not a 'I want it now' type that so many youngsters seem to have become in this day and age.