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NOT surprised you would rear your ugly head... LOL, another fantastic contribution. Recognizing the irony in your statement, from one whose one liners of self opinionated 'wit' is predominent is obviously way beyond you intellect. Does make me laugh though how blinkered you and the 'docker' are if you cant see past your hatred to accept how something can be viewed differently to your own narrow minded opinions and prejudices. Anyone with half a brain will be able to clearly see the difference between supporting a principle and supporting Lowe. I only support Saints. You lot seem determined to try and get me to say 'I suport Lowe' - which is clearly a bizzare need, would it make you feel better? Gone on then, I'll humour you, I suport Lowe, see easy to say, easy to write, but sadly not actually true, but when has fact or truth interfered with your opinions...

I dont think its a question of blaming fans - its not BLAME, but an inevitable fact that reduced attendence = reduced revenue. Now WHY there is a reduced attendence is a different matter, but for whatever reason a reduction in income is the result which does effect the balance sheet. There are good reasons for the decline - the main one being CCC instead of Prem football. the second being the lack of sucess in the CCC and a distant third who the chairnman is. I also think that attendence will go up for the last 5-6 home games which will drag up the average as fans start to come back for the relegation fight - same as they did last season when the home gate goes up and swells teh average - the reality is whatever political milegae some like to make of it, the run in is traditionally always going to provide bigger gates. To say crowds WOULD have been higher is speculation - I suggest they would ahve been higher had we had more success under ANY combination - thats the nature of the more casual fan (and thats not meant as a derogatory term) - they go more if they see value and entertainment for cost of a ticket. We aint had a lot this year so crowds have shrunk - had we had a good start and progressed we would have seen crowds go up. Had we had the same dismal ryun we would ahve seen the same reduction had Pearson and CRouch been here - whatever some may like to think the politics does not have as large an effect as the propoganda merchents like to think - because ultimately, it is about football and about supporting saints IF we can afford it and IF the results are reasonable. I have not sen a Barclays staement about eon's plan - I guess or have you - but when was that ever a problem hey? so who knows, and we dont even know WHAT leaons plan was as he has not communicated it publically - or are you ITK? ;-) I am sure it is depressing being Rupert LOwe, seeing your plans fail - my guess would be it would be depressing for anyone who was in that situation tried new things and failed. We can pontificate about our superior knowledge, foresight and vision all we like, but that is the beauty of being a fan, and not in the boardroom trying to satisfy 20000 differing opinions - Sure Lowe in his own world has tried a fair few things that seem to go against the grain of he 'logic of football' - he has tried to go against what is the perceived wisdom and established approaches as dictated by the football 'old guard' ...and most have failed - makes him look like an arse sure, some no doubt thought of due to his 'prudet nature' but when was the last time there was ever any progress in something without challenges to the the perceived wisdoms? If you love saints, what would have given you greater pride that say seeing the kids actually do the business? or had the SCW thing worked and that scientific approach given us the advantage which was then adopted elsewhere? Thats the reason for my POV n all that, not supporting Lowe, but liking the idea of challenging the old school, the old ways of brown envelopes and paper bags, and the continual 'it must be done this way' - There is no shame in failure of new ideas, I would suggest the biggest shame is in being too scared to try them. Fans are naturally sceptical, afterall a wrong move can and often does have diasterous consequences as we have seen under Lowe. We are also desperate to avoid the 'p!ss take' that inevitably follows public failure, especially when there is a latent prejudice agianst the 'hockey classes in football' - but is that not simply narrow minded? Lowe has tried loads and failed loads and sure there is plenty a reason for justifying he should now move on as we have not benn able to make these mad ideas work - time and again - but I dont see why we should be embarrassed or ashamed the club tried them. Its only our own fragile egos that cant cope with poor results that are damaged. The anger is only there because we are afraid of failure - be honest, how much of our anger at poor form and poor results is about how we perceive our club in relation to others, how we worry about what those blue few or other clubs think of us? We should be proud of this club whatever happens and whatever some nutter in teh board room does, tries or fails at, because there IS alot of truth in th fact that its better to have tried and failed than to be too scared to give it a go.

Jeez UP. only YOU would read that into my statement which has NOTHING to do with fans - It was questioning LOWE's reasoning- HE MIGHT have thought that JP had credentials that may have sat better with fans - How the feck is that blaming fans?????? Its questioning Lowe's logic FFS You say critical time? financially yes, but not from a footballing perspective - we had scraped through on the last day, the board made a decsion to off load some big wage earners and thought we would have time to get a youthful side playing good enough to saty up. sure it turned out sheite, but if you are going to try experriments such as this, then when the only way is up seems a more logical time to try it... Finally you are such a drama queen at times. 'The folly of this experiment.... It was a mistake, it did not work, and hopefully its been put right soon enough and we can survive, but the way you go on you'd think it was the end of the world....

Thats not actually totally unfeasible...

Was going to post something similar - What was Lowe thinking in bringing in JP, if as we are led to believe he had Wotte lined up a log time ago? I just dont get it. If he had faith in Wotte, why not give him the job to start with? I can only speculate that he though the fans would have more faithin an ex-international pro, than in MW? Te question now is can MW 'do a pearson' and keep us up? I think we are going to need at least 16 points from the reamining 36. 20 to be certain.

Secret site agent makes a very good point. 'It is our board' - we make it as it is. BUt for my money, there is just about enough, humour, good grace and interesting topics to keep in enjoyable most of the time. I know many get frustrated wth what is seen as a constant regurgitation of the same points, but if there are those that enjoy these threads (masochistically speaking), then that should not be discouraged, others enjoy the football banter, so they can post on those threads.... fair enough, they do sometimes get lost amongst the 'political' threads, so maybe we should be looking to keep the new ones down and have a general 'political' thread as a stickey and keep that for the wilde/crouch/lowe stuff?

I have to hold my hands up and say, Yup I do repeat and probably cover the same ground with the same opinions on many threads - guilty your honour... And to be honest, I dont like the idea that its boring people and putting them of reading and posting, afterall the only reason ANY of post on here is to try and get our views heard - yes it is an ego thing and no one can honestly deny that, we have our opinions, want to share them and hopefully get some to share or come round to that opinion - the nature of debate I guess. I am also guilty of sometimes taking too far, the insults etc although I do try and make this only a last resort - and its usually more frustration that either the post has not been read properly or properly understood. I apologise to anyone who I have offended, but its also fun to exchange views hear other perspectives etc. My opinion on some things HAS been changed or softened because of the posts of others to and as you learn more, share more in other fans thoughts its bound to influence to some degree.. it should do raelly if we are open to new ideas. The problems usually stem from opinion and speculation presented as fact...

Totally agree, and I dont think anyone would argue against that. BUt some of us have tried to be as balanced as possible, because whether we like it or not, whilsts he holds shares, he will be 'involved' as will crouch or wilde whetehr on the inside or out. My basis for defending decisons and trying to 'understand' why certain decisions were made and continue to be made is not out some naive or misguided loyalty, but in recognition of this simple fact; he's here, and in the hot seat. If we can be open to this and maybe try to dig a little deeper than the 'obvious' failings, maybe we can unite in providing 'constructive' criticism and help in finding constructive solutions? who knows, but I dont think there is anything wrong with that approach even if open to accusations of idealism or naivity. Is that fence sitting and head in sand nonsense? I dont believe so, but a recognition that despite how passionately we feel about Saints, it IS afterall only football and as we all know there are more important things to get so p!ssed off about..way more important things for that level of emotion. I know as fans many feel an emotional ownership, but is the level of anger, whoever its directed act not really totally disproportionate in the grand scheme of things?

I suspect positively Freudian given our current managemnet... ;-)

Ha ha you do make me laugh chump. Who ever you support is kinda irrelevent really - I really hope its not us though because if your brain and personality are associated with our club its an embrarrasment....

Naturally they would, but I think they will also recognise that for some bizarre and strange reason the share price is hardly ever linked to footballing success - (2003 cup run summer, shareprice 27p - Relegation from prem shareprice 34p and climbing due to to takeover rumours and major share purchases etc) yes, the lack of liquidity plays its part, but generally, I think those with share investmnets have done this for the LONG term so will not be currently over worried about the shareprice but will be about administration. They will be looking for the best options to avoid this. My biggest problem with CRouch seemed to be his desire to do the footballing bit well, but with no 'apparent' regard for how we financed it - for him the risk was justified by the potential reward - Lowe and Wilde saw this as a mjor flaw in proceedings and thus felt they should step in.... its all gone paer shaped. I dont liek teh old I told you so so rubbish, but I really hoped that when Wilde first arrived and then Crouch and they were talking about 'evolution' not revolution and they seemed to be talking that they should ahve dione EVERYTHING to make it work as a three way - because its the bitterness and mud slinging following the boardroom coup that is now preventing this.... they dont seem to have learned from the 'dont burn your bridges' saying....

Whatever Lowes numerous faults - and they are indeed many - at least he wants us to win (might not have a clue of how to goabout it mind, but at least that is what he wants) whereas Stanley the c*ck is just sad dilluded ar*ehole of teh highest order and most likely a skate windup - although most skates I know have more sense, they have a 'there but for the grace of' attitude - happy to have a dig and banter, but recognise how easy it would be for them doing the same - its why despite what some bullsh!tters like stanley would like us to believe, most fans of otther clubs aint laughing at us, but just gald its not them ..yet. Stanley is just an ignorant tw*t. Lowe might also be an ignorant Tw*t, but at least he wants us to win - so that one more positive for Lowe than for stanley! ;-)

What is to over looked is this; Only the shareholders will/can vote on the issue. If teh majority believe that what teh boardis currently doing is the best way forward for shareholder interest and value - or they are best placed to try and rescue the current situation - which considerig they represent 46% of shareholder interest we can assume they CARE a great deal about avoiding the club going down the pan - then they will keep them in , when the majority dont, out they go. The problems we have really stem from the very simple fact that often the needs of the shareholders take priority over the needs of the club from a footballing perspective, especially when in financial turmoil - its almost impossible for fans to reconcile the two or differentiate between the two.

You really are a nasty piece of spiteful work...

Think that is a pretty good call Nineteen. Sadly though this site has those those that cant see the difference between acknowledging KLMs historic contribution and his current 'not necessary and potentially divisive' stance being incompatible with going forward positively... its either you wthink he 'deserves' to be part of it because of his achiebvements and thats all that matters or you must be a lowe luvvie for ever daring to criticise him... FWIW, I agrre with just about everything you say in that post.

Stanley - dont you see the illogical and one sided nature of what you said there.... all anyone has said is get behind the team... if we continue to lose and get relegated, everyone will agree that Wotte thing and the lowe thing is the reason behind this and after every defeat you and Alps will give it the full treatment. However, dont you see that if by some miracle the opposite were to happen, we go on a decent run and get enough points to stay up, by its very nature wotte will have done a Pearson and credit will be due? That is all anyone is really asking, nothing to do with supporting Lowe or otherwise, just credit where its due, and criticism in proportion... dont treally see how that is arguable.

Kipper surely?

Hi That is indeed what it is meant to say, but the ole speed typing thing with those 'darn two fingers gone an done for me again!' ;-)

Should not stop some lag posting that the insider infor tell us this and that and within 50 posts and 27 minutes its become FACT ! ;-) (well at least an urban myth)

Feck me a philosopher amongst us - that is actually quite a good point! ;-)

The problem though is this say there are 10 different things required to be done well as a chairman - If you do 9/10 well but the 1 thing you fail on results in relegation, that is the thing you are remembered for and will forever be tainted with. With Lowe he has done perhap 5/10 things well, 5/10 badly . it just so happens that the 5/10 badly contained those things that we as fans believe MOST contributed to relegation. If we include his aggrogant manner and his crap PR in those bad 5, its no wonder he is the scapegopat for all evils. All i have ever tired to do is not hide the 5/10 bad things, but sometimes just try and point out the logic and merit in th 5/10 good, or even suggest that the 5/10 bad were not done with the INTENTION of screwing teh club in mind... and there are a few who seem to genuinely think that to be the case.

I think its clear and everyone would agree he has made big mistakes, but the professor is merely stating that its perhaps logical and rational to also acknowledge what ahs been achieved and I happen to agree... he is responsible for some things, but NOT for everything as some do like to insinuate.

Sorry, I may have deliberately misled you - two fingers that I can type with - the rest are uneducated in art of keyboard skills... but still in their appropriate place on my hands...rather mischievous of me I know, but could not resist. I will do all I can to improve my souffle and my shuffle in future to avoid confusion. But still leaves the bigger question that you pointed out.... Can Mary Cook?, if she can do a decent souffle then she gets my vote. ;-)

arshsrahhs yor ma bist pal... so ya arhr /..... hic where da f*ck's ma car...gotta get hame...

Still doing so... failing miserably