Dman

Simply put, a must win if we want to have any hope of staying up. The 5 after this are hidious. Will the Everton game by Martin some time or will a loss here mark the end with international break following...

I'm not sure - we're about to hit a run of hidous games, so a win against Wolves is really a must. Lose against wolves and by christmas it could (still probably will) look really ugly.

3 points better off than your hero xoxo

Both won the leauge fairly comfortably and didn't scrape through the play-off's. Kompany got the bayern job off the back of his playing career, more than his managerial one. Same is Maresca, had he not been Pep's assistant (or that weird bald fella, that was here at one point, who's now involved at Chels) he wouldn't have made the jump. In short, Martin has absolutely no pedigree in the game for anyone above us to take a punt, given how poorly this season has gone.

Wigan also won the FA cup then went down in recent years, thus playing european football in the championship.

Just continue playing Fraser and Manning or BBD who are clearly not up to the level then.

Jesus christ, comparing Jones to Emery is crazy.

Nothing is guarenteed. We could bring in a big name and they flop but alternatively we could go for an unknown and they hit the ground running. Poch is a great example of that latter, as is Mckenna at Ipswich. On the face of things, he was extreamly high risk and had nothing in his past to say he was an upgrade on Adkins. Some managers suits certain clubs despite maybe not being the best manager or name about. All I know is that I'm willing for us to risk it. If we carry on, I'm certain we wont make 10 points.

Well given its gonna a PL side, I'm not sure it matters. We're not beating them.

and yet still would be a significantly better option than Martin.

Intresting comment. Much like Pep at City, this ridged style really doesn't seem to suit traditional wingers who like to play on the shoulder and beat a man. Given the players we have, we simply have to become more direct and get the like of Archer, Sulemana, Cornet playing off the shoulder and running onto balls inbehind quicker.

He's hardly had any game time over the last year though. I think theres a player in there, we've seen that for Lyon and Burnely. I'd be tempted to give him a run of games and see if he can pick up a bit of form, he's certainly no worse than Fraser or Manning who've been played out there in recent weeks.

And Ipswich's is? we've got 1 point mate, thrown away leads against the 2 other promoted sides (at home). The players aren't cut out to succeed at this level - but playing a different way with a coach who knows how to make you hard to beat will give us a much better chance. We also only last night scrapped our way through against a side 19th in the championship.... and our only other win was a spunky one against a team who up until a few weeks ago were bottom of the champ.

what has he done in his career to justify his role at United? Absolutely nothing. So I'd agree, yes.

Both were poor, I agree. However, both have hardly played any football and look rusty and if im honest, not suited to Martins style. Cornet is a good player, we've seen that at Lyon and Burnely and in spells before injury at West Ham. I'd like to see him given a run of games, he's no worse than fraser ffs. Big Les looks handy in a tackle, adds steel to our midfield, but is awful on the ball. From the limited I've seen.

why is he still here? why are we giving him the next two 'six pointers' against a revitalised Everton and Wolves? why are we sleep walking into smashing the record low points total?

Pretty sure I saw that at the time. Brentford fans were basically saying we think we've got the brains behind the organisation... we hadn't.

Cheap, bog standard championship manager, massively uninspiring & not taking us to the next level (i.e completing to stay up)... yeah I wouldn't be surprised if the idiots running our clib went for him either.

What an absolutely hideous signing that would be.

Once bitten, twice shy. After the Jones experiment (who had a much better record on paper than Edwards - similar to Robins), I'd steer well clear of an appointment like this.

I guess that depends on who they appoint. Another Nathan Jones type and it wont...

Moyes or Potter would be silly to take our offer right now. Palace, West Ham, Wolves, maybe Leciester, Everton and dare I say it United (who knows what that'll spark - i.e Brenford possibly) will all likley be hunting for a new manager in the next month or so. We're 2-3 weeks too late and in 2-3 weeks we'll be picking up the scraps. That's not to say we shouldn't pull the trigger ASAP. There will still be plently out there who'd be keen to take a step into the PL, see us as a stepping stone (as ralph did). Under Lego were 100% going down - most likley at record levels. Rolling the dice might (unlikley) keep us up.

I'm not sure what hill you're trying to die on here, but we're already achieving unprecedented levels of shitness and are on course to smash lowest points records out the park. If you want to try and believe that after 8 games, having 1 point from playing the 2 fellow promoted sides and another everyone tipped for relegation, at home, things couldn't possibly get worse, then you carrying on doing you fella.

Put it this way, the lowest ever points record after 10 games is 2 points. With City then a 6 pointer vs Everton - we know how they usually go - we are on target to match if not worsen that... So yes, its about as low as it possibly could be.

Turns out, unsurprisingly, I was absolutely bang on and offering him a new deal so early on has come back to bite us.... Shock horror. Is anyone ITK on this? did he have some form of clause that meant we had to extend should we gain promotion, or were our board really that fucking stupid? If the former, who signed this deal off? They should be out the club the club the same time as Martin is. This stupidity (Along side the deal to bring in Martins favs Wood & Fraser) has cost us a few million quid. Piss poor management from the club.