Dman

Sorry but the first point is rubbish. He knew the rules. Even if he didn't, someone would have told him - you shouldn't do that. Just own it. Argue your case that its a bollox rule and is applied nowhere but the EFL, but don't lie. Second point. Why do it then? Its a weak arguement.

My personal view, which I have remained consistent with since the news broke was; You clearly get an advantage, we wouldn't have done it otherwise. However, I don't think think the advantage is all that significant. Its a 1% gain which you see all over football in different shapes and forms. For me, diving is worse, this is on par with timewasting - I feel that strongly about how insignficant it is. It was obvious from the get go that; 1. we'd done it before, we would have been at this all season - without a doubt. 2. Senior figures (i.e Tonda and Spors) would have known about it. 3. It wont just be us. This will be common practice for clubs with manager from the continent. Whilst it is technically correct, 'cheating' feels harsh. Gamesmanship is more appropriate. He saw an opportunity to either get some ££ or get a free shot at the PL. It worked. People arguing he done it for sporting integrity are absolute idiots. It always was and will be for the money. it wont be pretty reading, but again, it doesn't take away from the fact its a minor crime in the grand scheme of things. All that being said, as yesterday progressed, I came to the realisation that the EFL had no alternative option but to kick us out. It was proven we'd broken the rules and unless they implemented a ridiculous fine, there was no alternative deterent.

Is that a precdent by the way? Surely his own arguement back then would counter any argument now...

I seriously think Hull would have a serious case here.

Do we have a new best case scenario here... Boro win, get all excited and then Hull get it reversed on a technicality 😂

shared in the Parsons thread; well then, Rockliffe hall did share personal information from financial records... https://archive.ph/1cCTp If we're going down, lets bring that fucker Gibson down with us (if there is a case to answer).

well then, Rockliffe hall did share personal information from financial records... If there is a case to answer here, I hope the club support Salt in legal advise on this one.

No chance in my opinon. We've broken the rules, with no precedent to fall back on, I think we're royally fucked. Much like you, had we had a decent defense lawyer.. things maybe different.

further to this, given the EFL have clearly pushed for the harsest possible sentance, if a judge override upon appeal, does that essentially mean that Boro do not have a leg to stand on in terms of any legal claim?

Can someone more clued up than I am explain what Gibson could realistically sue the EFL for?

I personally think the first part will be thrown out as not relevant at this stage. We've admitted it. If we do have evidence of other clubs doing the same thing, it does some what mitigate the seriouness of it however.

For what its worth, I've been told we had some mitigating evidence against the whistleblower and that this is a widly carried out activity. Don't know a lot more than that though.

Yep. All the EFL will care about is their ££ here. Moving away from Wembely will seriously hurt their pockets.

I'll be amazed if leaks don't start to appear at some point this evening. At the very least, you'd imagine we'd have an understanding of what the potential punishment looks like.

I had a breif flick through his posts and it appears to consist of not much more than false ITK claims about spygate and avidly defending Cameron Archer. Can file this one under WUM or aggrieved family memeber of Archer.

Bullying 😂

where have you seen that?

If the EFL were pressing ahead with explusion as a recommendation, why would they need to apply pressure?

Agree. It otherwise makes no sense for them to be so public.

yeah I tend to agree. As I said the other day, from inside the club, I've been told we are expecting fine and points but are pushing for just a fine. The case of guilt is cut and dry. We're going to be found guilty, we're not denying it, just mitigating it. It makes no sense that the EFL would continue 'as-is' with ticket sales etc. other than some fancy arse covering "read T&C's", if they are heavily pushing for expulsion.

Which makes me think, given Boro's childish outburst in the form of a statement, the EFL haven't put forward expulsion as a appropriate sanction.

Of course we would. The final wouldn't be played at wembley anyway in such case.

Well, if the EFL aren't arguing / pushing for the necular option, is it likley that the panel would enforce it?

Yep. A points deduction & fine, whilst doesn't benefit boro in the immediate term (shouuld it anyway??), is something that can be consistently applied. They're not going to kick a side out of the leauge for it.

£10m and refused the right to play in the final....?