Dman

I thnk we should just be greatful that we've got 5 points in such a tough leauge. We should consider ourselves blessed and proud to be watching these BRAVE young men, riddled with scar tissue, battle it out with the worlds best each week.

I made a thread after the Forest game saying we're going to beat Derby's record. I got called a drama queen and a bed wetter and the thread was closed. Its been painfully obvious that Martins football, which only managed to get us to be the 4th best side in the championship, would be a disaster in this leauge with the level of player we had.

Martin wont bring us back up. He just about managed it last season, he wont get that luck again.

If we got the ball to him in the box (theirs not ours), I actually think he'd be pretty sucessful.

Lets get something straight... . Martin is in no way comparitable with Ralph. Ralph is a pretty decent premier leauge manager. Martin is a mid-table championship manager. Martin has done nothing to suggest that he deserves to stay on for any games longer than he's already had (5 too many imo). It ended ugly with Ralph, he was given 6 months longer than he shoudl have been. Clearly, in hindsight it looks daft replacing him with Jones but he was spent with us and had we been a little more sensible with his replacement we probably would have stayed up. Its a shame the board threw money at Jones in January and not Ralph in the summer. Your reasoning is a bit odd if I'm honest. Plently of sides have made changes mid-season and been sucessful as a result. Damage limition for us now. We need to get to 12 points, which were not getting under this clown.

They're really good, we're really shit. Easy pickings - on par with the bournemouth game.. expect it might actually be worse (they're just better). If we're going to lose, I kinda hope its an ugly one. That'll hopefully stick a rocket up the boards arse.

So does AA. Doesn't mean he's good enough at this level and his lack of abaility to defend is causing us to conceed goals.

and lost us the game with some poor defending at the back post. Not for the first time this season either.

The difference is / was - when McCarthy tried to play it the managers way we conceeded. When he went against the managers instructions, we didn't.

(Mods feel free to merge this with his other thread - I'm yet to find out how to sensibly search of old threads) He gets such an easy ride of things, but sorry but this bloke is crap. Simply put, he's another Cedric - looks alright going forward but absolutely cannot defend to save his life. Stop playing him, he's not good enough.

When McCarthy did decide to go long and clear the danger, it sparked a sarcy reaction from the manager... damned if you do, damned if you don't springs to mind. McCarthy is clearly not comfortable playing this way, we need to adjust to suit that. That pass is on the manager, noone else.

What has happened to Charlie Taylor? Why is he not getting a sniff? at 2-2, the locgial sub (was he even on the bench?) is to bring on CT, rather than Suga who is absolutely useless defensively.

It doesn't just encapsulate our season, but his whole time here. We were making these mistakes in the championship, but we simply had better players than everyone else, which dug us out of a hole more often than not. Its an easy excuse to say "what can he do about players making mistakes", but its litterally his job to coach and pick a side and system where they wont make these mistakes. The first goal, whilst is a mistake from McCarthy and poor from Downes, is down to noone but Russell Martin. Had we had Moyes in the dug out, we are not rolling the ball to an attacking midfilder on the edge of our own box with 3 players around him. McCarthy made that pass because that is what is being ingrained in him by the manager.

If hes as hughly rated as the club keep pumping out to the media, he wont be out of work long and thus wouldn't cost us much to sack him. The problem is, people will see that he's all fart no shit - I can't see any PL side taking a punt, so it would be down to him taking a pay cut and dropping down to the championship.

He's taken a team full of L1 players, who were destined for relegation, to mid-table championship (without any significant investment) in 18 months. Martin achieved the bare minimum expected last season and finished 4th in a 3 horse race and has spectacularly failed this season. Pound for Pound, Rohl's achivements have been greater and who knows what he'd be able to achieve at a side with greater resources (i.e us). All if and buts, but I'm almost certain Rohl will go on to have a more sucessful career than Martin.

albeit for a team who are player for player much, much worse than the the players russball had in teh same league last year. Rohl's achivements are far greater than Martins.

So you've gone from "theres no money" to "they probably wont spend" after a couple of links in the papers. Almost like you're talking our of your arse.

absolutely nothing wrong with that, btw. Its the model brighton have followed and its worked a treat for them. Get your replacement through the door a year or 2 before and give them time to bed in and adjust. 1 thing you can't critise SR of is spending money. They've spent relatively big money each window. The problem, is that the money they've spend hasn't been wise.

No. I was pretty clear in why I think hes better.

I mean, could that arguement not be made for the fact that is why Martin managed to get us promoted? I certainly think it is.

If you honestly watched that and think he playes the same as Martin, you're deluisional. Night and day in terms of attacking threat.

Odd take.

Carsely would be a huge improvement on Martin, imo. Probably wouldn't keep us up this season (I don't think anyone would) but would gve us a great chance to rebound next season and then stay up. He likes to 'play out from the back' and dominate teams, but he's much more pragmatic than Martin. Less addicited to 'retaining the ball' at all costs, plays with pace and directness outwide and we'd get inbehind teams a load more. Think the best of us up to the halfway line, with the missing peice when trying to actually score goals. In short, I think Carsely would be a great appointment who'd keep to the 'possession based' style we seemingly want to integrate within the club with a load more pragmatisim to actually help us win games. Would he want the job? Probably not.

imo, the only way survial is realistically achievable is doing what Forrest have done. Spent a load and gambled on the fact that better players would earn back the 4 points or whatever it was they were deducted due to FFP breaches.

I suspect Janny B would go, probably Aribo as well. I can't see anyone taking a punt on THB if im honest - he's not been consistent enough for warrent the £20+ we'd demand. I'd like to hope we could convince Dibbling for another year with us. But that's a really competative championship side tbh. Even players like Fraser and Charles are decent options at that level.