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Without going all football hipers / football manager vibes, I'd play Brooks and AA in the 10's (similar to how Ralph set up our wide men) behind Che - Brooks best suited to that role imo - thought he was alright in the middle of the park Saturday.

Pretty similar to all of our other wingers then - especially Edozie.

That's not the point I was making, is it. Whatever happens this season, next is going to be really, really miserable under this current management.

Leeds will still be in contention for promotion, but tomorrow? might determin how likley that is. Could be an absolute damp squib and toxic atmopshere for both sides. Would like Martin to try something different. McCarthy Stephens Bednerak, THB KWP Charles Downes Manning Brooks Che AA

As much as Sulemana has been a bit (bit being an understatement) of a let down, I think he's been criminally under used this season. A player like him, a bit off the cuff - limited techinical ability, but quick and direct, simply doesn't suit a Russell Martin team. He's a luxury player, but one who could have made the difference this season.

Fucking hell, I forgot about him 😂

What a miserable situation we find ourselves in. Go up, its going to be absolute shambles of enormous scales. Derby sort of levels. Stay down its going to be the begining of the end and before we know it, we'll be Stoke / Swansea etc. I simply cannot see a way forward for this football club with Russell Martin as manager. Idea situation is that we go up and Martin goes and we bring in someone who would be competent at the level above.

Take your own advice Pal

What an absolutley brilliant job he has done with a basket case of a club he went into.

Much like that season, we aren't / weren't ready to go up and it would have been a disaster.

Football generally runs in cycles... Its not possible for clubs like us, brighton and bournemouth to consistently get it right window after window. They'll drop just as fast as they rose, much like we have. Much like Brighton and probably Bournemouth, the issue we had is that we didn't feast when times were good. We should have won a trophy during that 4-5 year window, its poor that we didn't.

Getting his excuses in there early. The schedule, the fans basically anything other than his tactics when we get knocked out in the semi final.

When he’s got the ball, with no one trying to get it off him and he doesn’t have to put any effort in (run, show a bit of grit/determination) he’s a real talent that boy. The sooner he fucks back off to France the better. Disgraceful attitude of a player.

Winning mentality, don’t know when they’re beaten, know how to win. We’re the opposite, for sure.

Spot on. Jines was out of his depth, but he’d had done a better job this season than RM has. I’d much rather go into the play offs with a side set up under Jones than I would RM.

Apples and oranges. We’d concede 80+ in the league above playing the way in which we do. BTW, Nathan Jones was brought in to buck that trend…. Hounded out by the fans (probably the ones who can’t get far enough up RMs arse), within 2 games.

If I recall correctly, the ‘issues’ were the exact same. Wingers not good enough 1 on 1, keeper etc. Perhaps, after 2 seasons of conceding 60+ goals, with 2 different side, he should look at himself?

What was his excuse last season at Swansea?

We have a pretty fickle fan base after 3 or 4 years of players tossing it in and general shite football, so whoever came in had their work cut out. I do think, in the main, most were supportive of Martin and our home support this season has been significantly better than previous years - as much as he wants to moan about it… He’s attacked the fans a few times this season. The trouble is and I don’t mean this as a disrespect to Swansea - we will be you in 2 years time - the job was too big for him. I think hes a decent coach, but he doesn’t have anywhere near enough experience to step up to a side who are expecting to win every game. He’s way too stubborn for his own good, needs to ditch this ‘process’ nonsense and have 2 or 3 ways to win a game.. I can’t see that happening anytime soon though. He needs a massive failure (thinking a step up to the PL) to have that ‘oh shit’ moment I think

I don't think its the style (i.e possession based), I think its the way in which Martin sets it up. Far to slow to play out meaning we need to throw men forwards leaving us vunerable. For some reason, our full backs (both of them) never try and stop the cross. Martin is decent enough coach, but a poor manager imo.

great news - even if we get 20 minutes out of him between now and whever our season may end, thats 20 minutes i'd rather him than Mara.

Based on this alone, I'd say its nailed on hes here come the first game next season.

I was just pointing out its not 1 performance. I think we're kinda on the same side here. I've no issue with us wanting to be a team who plays out from the back and wants to dominate the ball. I'd love for us to have success playing that way. Russell Martin however is not the man to deliver that. You need to find the right balance. Martin is far to intent on keeping the ball and forgetting about the fact you need to stop teams from scoring the other end of the pitch. Fundimentially, we're too slow in our build up, which means we need to throw too many numbers forward leaving us vunerable at the back end of the pitch. If you want to talk about 'bigger picture' look at the stats. Disgusting amount of goals conceeded at Swansea, disgusting amount of goals conceeded here. That would suggest there is a fundimental flaw in his set up, which to date at 3 clubs he's been unable to resolve.

After the face with Jones, there is absolutely no way we'll be sacking Martin until shit really hits the fan. I.e christmas next year when we're mid-table. We're stuck with the idiot for a little while longer.

Surely after being made to look a mug time and time again, you're not still beleiving the crap they are coming out with 😂