Dman

Haven’t the new owners basically already said that the running of the club will be left to those currently in charge? Theyve probably provided the additional funds to make these sort of deals, but let’s credit Crooker here, he’s the one who’s driving these sort of things.

it’s a very simple concept, to be honest. When agreeing the deal with the selling club, in this case Chelsea, it was agreed that they could buy the player back for X price (usually these deals have a start and end date - for example that fee kicks in starting x and ends y) The buy back price is only applicable to said club (Chelsea), so if Liverpool offer is 50m which we’re happy to accept, but we have already agreed Chelsea can buy for 25m, we would have to accept both offers, regardless of what is higher… basically if Chelsea meet the price set in the time period set, we have to accept the offer. This doesn’t mean the player has to go to that club, they could refuse, which would allow us to sell to the open market at a price we want. Finally, if Chelsea want to purchase him before or after the period set (I don’t know what this is or if there is a period at all), then we aren’t obliged to accept any offer for him.

They can also be very misleading. For example, someone compared Redmond to Buendia the other day stating the stats determine Redmond is a better player (it was clearly nonsense then as much as it is now). Gerrard has found a system since the arrival of couthino, which has since drastically improved the output of Buendia. Again, on paper Redmond may look better, but watch the 2 and you’d see Buendia is considerably better. The long and short and last I’ll comment on the matter is to not try and be clever by using stats to support an argument which is clearly nonsense. Watch a player before you make a judgement.

To be honest, it was said in jest.. I wouldn’t want either of them, but from what I’ve seen, he was the brains behind the organisation of the 2.. especially with the youngsters who he had worked with just before.

Exactly, they’ve been around for ages and the famous ‘black box’ was basically just a data storage tool. As you said, nothing new. I don’t think anyone is ‘anti stats’, you’d have to be stupid to be as they can be very useful. However, they’re not the be all and end all. If anyone think Brentford were signing players based on stats alone, you’re wrong. As with any club, they would physically watch the player in the flesh as well. Data can be a good way to identify targets but there are so many differing factors, it’s just stupid to compare x with x based on stats. As shown by the Armstrong and Broja debate. Upon arrival, Armstrong looked the better player (on paper), but it was clear the minute Broja stepped on the pitch he was going to be a future star… you don’t need to be for or against stats to determine that. Blackburn clearly have a style which enables strikers to get Plenty of chances to score (as shown by Brenton, this season) and also had Harvey Elliott who was a fantastic, creative player in that division. Whilst his ‘stats’ may have been decent, IIRC, a few Blackburn fans had doubts about his ability to step up and basically said he scores so many because he has so many shots (I.e poor / average conversion).

Interesting… perhaps stephens is off in the summer and Simeu will step into his place as 4th choice for the 1st team, with this fella taking his spot in u23’s and/or out on loan…?

Maybe we should just appoint Lampard and Morris as managers and clean up the Chelsea academy each summer….

Possibly. That was before they could offer him triple his wages though. Should they stay up, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he was interested in the summer.

‘Apparently’ they’ve offered within the region of £30m. Tbh in January I don’t see that as anywhere close to enough. £50m before you’d even consider it, which I still don’t think we’d sell to them.

Cheers, top feedback. Perhaps the mods should add a ‘bio’ to each profile. I can wear “by far the worst poster on this forum” as a medal.

Sorry, yeah good point. I was referring to anyone new. I wouldn’t be holding off to get Broja, if possible. Sadly; I don’t think Chelsea will sell for a price we’re willing to pay and/or he’ll have other, better, options.

We are, but we’re in a position where we’re not going to go down and we’re not going to achieve anything more than mid table. It’s pointless paying January prices when we don’t really need to. we’re best served waiting until the summer. As for the RB, we don’t need another. Under no circumstances should be looking to sell KWP.

How many times had you watched either of them? Maybe Armstrong a handful if that and Broja never? 😂😂

If you mean by recent evidence, the first few minutes he walked on the pitch, then that’s fair enough but you said after he’d played a few games for us Armstrong had a higher ceiling. It was very, very clear that that wouldn’t be the case. That’s why stats are useful (I agree with that), but not the be all and end all. That’s why along with data which I’m sure clubs use, they also have a scouting network with study and analyse players in the flesh. Buying players based on stats alone, results in getting people like Muyaka who score a few in AFCON but I cannot believe anyone would watch him for a period of time and think he Was a PL player.

This is a good point and one of the main reasons I don’t think he’d get a bigger job than us (unless we do something stupid next year). He wouldn’t get the time he needs to build a squad, I’m not sure how he’d handle the egos and is a tad too inconsistent. We’re probably the right level for each other.

About time he done something in the PL though. Been a disappointment for me so far, a shame as looked/looks a real player

Ironically, I bet this ‘troll’ attends more games and pumps more money into the club than you do. but, the point regarding the San Marino manager, was valid. A team of their quality should be getting 10-15 goals put past them when they play nations such as England such is the difference in quality. Ralph in 2 games now, was unable to stop a 9-0 defeat despite being on a relatively level playing field. Whereas at 3/4-0 down we could have stuck 9 men behind the ball on a low block to make it hard, we didn’t. We continued to try and play a high pressing attacking game, hence the score line. It’s tedious, so I can’t even be arsed to be drawn into it if I’m honest. Next time you’re at St Mary’s, drop me a DM and we can have a beer. I won’t hold my breath.

How about you sack ‘the data’ off and actually watch games. It’d make those predictions significantly easier fella.

f**k me, you really are a boring c**t mate, aren’t you.

Nope sorry, a ‘class’ manager doesn’t get beaten 9-0 twice in 2 seasons, regardless of the circumstances. Personally, I think he was extremely lucky to survive the second 9 and subsequent run that followed. You could pretty much argue that any manager is fine if they get a couple of good signings.

Agree with this mate. Very much a critic of him and if we’re all honest, last season was shambolic. He’s more tactically fluid and seemingly got better at his subs as well. Fair play to him and the powers that be who make the signings as well.

I was worried when he came on and we kept a back 4 but I thought he done very well. Made a great tackle at one point, might have been just before that run.

Being at the game, Looked more like a standard 442 to me. Wide midfielders were playing very deep without the ball at some points in the second half more of a 622 they were that deep. The pressing was mainly coming from the front 2 whilst we played 2 banks of 4 making it hard to break down. Very different from the overally attacking 4222 where the wingers press very high and are out of position.

To be fair, Laporte was being a wanker all game. There was a point in the first half where he tried getting adams (I think it was) sent off for an arm in the neck whilst competing for a header. naturally, the 6 foot prick went down clutching his face like he’d face a haymaker from Tyson Fury.

Ollie Robinson was the one ‘fat shamed’, I think I heard. It has to be said, he is visibly carry a bit of extra timber (for an elite athlete) and pace did drop after his first spell, but by no means was the reason we were absolutely pathetic this series . As for Giles, he was a pretty average player and an even worse coach. Seems as if the trend is continuing at ECB.