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This is a good post. I was a bit worried last year RM was a one trick pony, but he showed good adaptation at the end of the season and got us over the line. What you remind us all is that, just as young players make mistakes, so do young managers, but the good ones learn from them. He has earned the right to work on things in these next batch of fixtures. Let us see how he responds. If he doesn’t learn, we keep losing in same fashion against Ipswich and Bournemouth, then we will have to make a change. But I hope and believe he will have reflected and that he can build from this.

In my opinion, way too much focus on formation and not enough on the absolute clear main problem. If you are careless with the ball at edge of our own area you will get punished by Premier League players. End of. You can be careful or reckless with three or four at the back. We won’t be a team who scores three or four goals most weeks, and so our only route to safety is probably keeping eight to ten clean sheets this season. We have zero chance of doing that believing we are Man City.

Cool, and is that similar to, or fantastically less than, the £228 Brighton brought in for those four players?

Responding to your two posts: JWP + Tino + Lavia = £102 million. And the Brighton figure was for four players! The “dog shite” comment was about two to three years of poor value signings. Orsic, Tall Paul, Kamaldeen, Diallo, Lyanco, DCC, the list goes on. The gap is absolutely MASSIVE now and that is because Brighton have made good choices and we have made woeful ones. Look at their managerial appointments over recent years compared to ours. It won’t be like this for ever, but right now this is where we are at.

You sound astonished that there is a gulf between Brighton and Saints’ pulling power. Here are a few things that may help: - we splashed millions on absolute dog shite signings two to three years ago, along with paying off poor managerial appointments - we then got relegated, missing out on full Premier League money last year. Meanwhile Brighton enjoyed European football - Brighton have in the last few years sold Bassouma, Caciedo, Cucarella and Trossard for a total of £228 million. That excludes fees for other players, it is just those four listed. So when you say “for whatever reason”, I hope this has helped to crack the puzzle!

Lots of wrist slitting on here. Will try and bring a bit of balance, albeit I am as frustrated at our lack of creativity as anyone: - we are averaging one goal conceded after two games. If we maintain that it would be excellent. Last time in this league we needed to score three goals to win a game - while it necessitates taking up a playing position, the three centre backs make us look fairly solid. If we retain KWP we are well stocked in the full back positions - it looks like we are about to upgrade our goalkeeper position, albeit McCarthy did just fine today. - Downes looked excellent today after the first fifteen minutes And so there are some positives, despite how everyone feels tonight. Last time we were promoted I recall we lost our first four games. However, we need to add a cutting edge and creativity in final third without doubt. I feel we should try to bring in a target man (or keep Tall Paul) as an option, not always from the start. Stewart is unlikely to be fit enough after the delay. And we also need to find a more productive wide man than current options. We may only need to win nine games this season and collect a few draws. The margins are tight, and Everton, Leicester and Ipswich all look likely to struggle to do that too. Long way to go

That team would struggle to reach ten points. The Premier League is many times stronger than was the case back then, and that was one of our weaker line ups of that era in my view

I am available to drive Mara there personally

I have seen the City, Sunderland and Burnley documentaries. This one shows some surprising/controversial stuff, and is I think relevant to us now, ie relegated team having been in Premier League some time, bouncing back and then staring into the gulf between two divisions. Add in similar style of play and it’s spooky! Hopefully a different outcome…..!

I posted this on June 9th and still think it is playing out this way. We won’t know where we are until after window shuts. If you want a glimpse of how end of windows work, watch the superb Burnley documentary on Sky Sports.

Good, if true

You neglected to comment on the transfer fee part!

Not sure my kids would know what a call box phone is, but I remember learning all of this from my dad phoning home from French holiday as a teenager! I actually thought Dixon and Speedie would be good signings! They would have been in the 80s!

I hate to point this out, but do you think it would be helpful either to Baz’s confidence or a future transfer fee when we sell him, if we saw a different quote spun, along the lines of “Saints have decided Bazanu is shit, and need to get a loan in quickly with a view to getting rid of Bazanu”?😂😂😂

Ramsdale as a year long loan is credible and would be a good fit I think. Big character

As I mentioned in post a couple of weeks ago, we won’t really know where we are until September with Euros, season starting a bit later etc. Current thoughts: - Is Bednarek staying? If yes, and assuming we get rid of DCC permanently, then I think we are sorted for centre backs with six including ABK. If all are still here at end of window I think you may see Edwards sent on loan to championship until January. - is KWP staying? Rumours suggest not. If so we obviously need to replace him, and in my opinion sign another full back so that Bree is number four in that department not number three as I would sell or loan out Manning, and loan out Larios and Meghoma. - is Downes signing? Either way, we need to sign two, not one, quality holding midfielders ideally with Downes as one. Charles is not ready for Premier League, and I would loan him to championship. - is O’Riley signing? If so we have enough attacking midfielders along with Aribo, Smallbone and Lallana. - is Adams staying? If so, would sell Mara and sign additional two strikers. If Adams goes, we need three. - is Fraser signing and Kamaldeen staying? If so we have enough wingers. If not, each one needs replacing. We also have a gap that Brooks was filling - we still need to sign a top keeper and McCarthy be number two. Sell Lumley. So still a hell of a lot of activity needed.

Mixed views on this as season ticket holder with family of three tickets, one of which is my elderly dad who needs some help on this stuff. And am influenced by my mate who is a Spurs season ticket holder (family have four tickets) which is a club that has run with this approach for a few years. Trying to be balanced here: - good news is not waiting on Royal Mail for cup tickets being sent out - I also get club saves costs with no mailing, paper and plastic, eco friendly eg etc - the transfer device is potentially useful if my daughter is travelling independently and saves faffing about to hand her card etc - less positive is my mate has had experience of waiting for a couple of tickets for match day to drop into the app and not receiving it until two hours before game, which is pretty stressful! Hopefully our system will be bullet proof…! So people saying “it’s just like going to a gig” is not the same as I go to plenty and they don’t arrive as late as 12 hours before in my experience - also you only realise how all of this is tricky for some elderly or less able fans when you actually experience it So pro’s and cons. Would be way better if for season tickets they simply sent the QR code that works for the whole season through in one go

Baz is a write off for the season, if he is fit for later in season it’s a bonus. Even if he was fit, in my opinion he is not top class needed. So retain McCarthy as number two, sign a top keeper as number one

I disagree. I think we need to sign two more top class full backs, so Manning leaves and Bree becomes number four. KWP able to play both flanks. Loan out Larios and Meghoma

Lallana

Yes some very good signings. Think we also converted Cork’s loan to permanent, which was good, and signed a useless African striker who barely played

I think for a one year deal this is a good signing. And not remotely due to his past links. I imagine he will not be a regular starter, but will be a good change option and brings experience and know how to the squad. If you listen to most managers they stress the importance of this off field element much more than fans recognise. These guys are effectively attending a workplace six or seven days a week, and the culture and environment created is crucial. Given Brighton link I suspect Martin knows him very well.

We are going to need to be patient I feel this summer. A number of factors: - we are two weeks behind most other clubs knowing they are in Premier League - the playing season starts later in August than normal because of Euros - a number of our competitors have serious FFP concerns and therefore comparing their current squads is futile - we have a lot of outbound and inbound Ioans ending - many deals will be on hold until Euros finish I really don’t think we will know where we are, and what we are up against, until end of August. My sense is that other clubs competing in “mini league” at the bottom will likely include Leicester, Ipswich, Brentford, Everton and Forest as a minimum. But probably eleven weeks away from becoming clear

Quite surreal that 24 hours ago we could be writing up what was needed to manage a tighter budget in championship! For my part here is what I would try and do: Retain……Baz, McCarthy, Lis, KWP, Bednarek, THB, Stephens, Aribo, Smallbone, Alcaraz, Edozie, A Armstrong, Adams, Stewart Loan out…..Larios, Meghoma, Charles, Diblin, SAA, Ballard Sell/Release....Lumley, Bree, Manning, DCC, ABK, Lyanco, Perraud, S Armstrong, Kamaldeen, Mara, Tall Paul Loan in….Brooks Buy….Downes, Fraser, new goalkeeper, new right back, new left back, new centre back, two holding midfielders, new ten, two new strikers That is nine new faces as three have been with us this season. I think we signed six when last promoted, Forest and Fulham in recent years have brought in about 20. When you are reminded of the loans out and loans in, there is a lot of work needed. The goalkeepers numbers may look heavy, but I have written off Baz for the season and you need three fit keepers at all times. I see some of the retained players, such as McCarthy, Stephens, Aribo, Adams, Fraser as squad players who bring experience but unlikely to start many.

A very good summary, very much reflects my feelings after a special day