Billy the Kidd

Agree with this, but is isnt only that we play with a way that highlights our inadequacies - even teams with far far better players than ours dont try to do this to the extent we do. There is a solid reason they dont do it also - that it gives up chances and goals.

Not sure that is correct. As in, Martin and the staff wouldnt get 100% of their payout in a lump sum, they would surely get in monthly until the end of the contract or until they got another job. Whilst I strongly disagree, I'm not sure we are sacking him anytime soon. I for one wont watch another game while he is here, in the ground or on TV.

Yeah I wouldnt disagree. He isnt in the same league as Kompany for me, and has all been about vanity.

I'm not sure that is particularly relevant. Gerrard and Lampard were great footballers. Turning into managers, this generally means nothing at getting top jobs. Sure, he could go to a mid table team who wants this, I wonder if Kompany had different ways of playing, different tactics etc. I didnt see a single game of Burnley's to be fair so that may not be why Bayern took hime, I just dont believe it was due to VK havign a great career.

I think all the pricks should give the cunts a right pounding.

I can't for the life of me understand why people aren't asking for him to be gone. We are this bad this season due to him.

Well this moron Martin signed these players. If he didn't want them he could have told them no. He is culpable. I seriously don't believe someone else comes in and gets 1 Point from 8 games...

Its basically confirms that we may be able to spend billions of pounds, but with Russell Martin in charge of first team selection and tactics, we'd still go down in last place. But we'd have really expensive players that learned to pass the ball without progressing up the pitch.

But he is largely playing the same way. In 7 games this season, he has pretty much done exactly what most of us thought he would do. v Bournemouth - wtf was he actually thinking. v Arsenal, yes he did change some aspects, but we still farted around with the ball far too much. No one is saying lump it to the big fucker up top. We could be playing percentage balls into the channels. But no, we have to take so many risks in our own third, that when we lose the ball, which we do lots in the EPL, we get fucked. When we do beat the press, we then recycle the ball backwards. This isnt bravery, it is pandering to the managers desire for purest football. When it is pretty much boring, predicatable, slow, ponderous and pretty ineffective. So largely, in 5/7 games, he was true to form.

I think I have read sufficient posts of yours without saying much. Simply, to reference loads on the Arsenal game, where we pretty much played defensively, and got way, way lucky in the first half, is really stretching stuff, even for you. We have to look at last season, and the start of this season to form opinions. Many have done so and concluded that Martin is all about himself, and that largely he is inflexible and sticking to his ways. We have the points total we deserve. We have this points total due to how he sets us up. Players will always have brain farts, or miss the occasional penalty, but the way we play has been so predictable and largely easy to beat with half decent managers and half decent squads. The EPL is just magnifying the issue. So, for me, there is little point in continuing with Martin, as if we go down, which we most certainly will playing to his tune, he is very likely to fuck off at the first opportunity (which is also not an issue for me), but the worse part is any good players we have (and I dont believe we have enough to stay up), will also fuck off. Do you agree that by and large, Martin will play the usual way he wants to play? And if so, do you think we are likely to get many more points playing this way? Or are you suggesting he has turned a corner, and will mix it up, play more direct etc when he can, and more defensive against the top teams? I cant see any of this, apart from very occasionally. Personally, I'd have sacked him already. The Leicester game for me is irrelevant - if he wins or gets a draw we should have won, he will get more time. It doesnt appear we have learned from the last time we were in the EPL. Too slow to react. He should have gone in the summer, harsh as it seems, and no this isnt revisionist, I never wanted him in the first place, still wanted him gone in the summer. It is playing out the way I, and most people on here, thought it would. Vanity manager, comes across as the clubs/fans/players best mate, turns pretty nasty when it starts to go wrong and throws people under the bus. He only has his own interests at heart - a fucking great marketing manager he would make.

Not sure, but we have the reverse that somehow we still have a manager that can't win a game. Football is a funny old game...

A little unfair on Onuachu, he barely played the Jan we signed him, and has been frozen and loaned out ever since.

I wonder how long AA, JA, and WS have left in the lineup as starters, surely it won’t be long before they are replaced.

I’m not sure it wil happen, but he’d be an upgrade on Smallbone and Aribo. And Smallbone would count 100% towards PSR. Did we get Aribo on a free? Or did we pay like £7m on him?

I wasn’t aware, genuinely, how many of Burnley’s players are now playing in the EPL. I don’t count Charlie Taylor btw, as we signed him as a free agent, therefore not from Burnley.