Sir Ralph

Neither have an overtly racist policy they are campaigning on. They are seeking to reduce illegal immigration (as are Labour and the Tories) which doesn’t target a specific race / nationality of people. The perception of racism relating to restore / reform is miles off this policy. Also Labour are the party that was found to have anti semitism within its ranks. I can’t believe that a party would openly promote this policy. Surely it doesn’t meet the equality act standards

So it’s a racist policy which is causing division by trying to appeal to a group with religious beliefs at the expense of seeking to eliminate the state of Israel, namely targeting people of a specific nationality. How can that be allowed? Doesn’t this contradict the Equality Act?

Which part of the electorate are they targeting with this policy?

If they pass this motion, if you vote for the Greens you are racist. Overtly racist policies

I can’t think why you would want to live there with kids anyway. We moved out to commuter belt a while ago. Better community, nicer open spaces better bang for your buck in terms of property and your kids are less likely to end up dealing drugs. Cant think why you would want to stay in London. In commuter belt you can dip in and out of London when you want to

Round us they mostly have unfortunately. Thing is on the face of it earning £178k in London you probably have less disposable income than if you were on say £100k up north

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq74e4jg9leno This bloke is a menace to society and very thick. Imagine saying to nursery providers that their costs needs to be capped. What do you think they would do? Stop providing the service People that own homes alternatively will just jack the rent up at the start of the 3 years and justify it against the renter right act as evidence of market increase. Renters will pay the increase earlier and therefore more overall.

Good lad - save that 20% vat rather than hand it over to be wasted

And this is why politics shouldn’t be allowed near football. Must have been gutting for Baz that Saints chose Peretz over him. Would he have even played? If he had they wouldn’t have kept a clean sheet

Smallbone is a Martin dream. His side way passing stats are off the scale. Too lightweight and not enough of a risk taker to materially impact games at the higher level

The gender neutral dolphins will have a calmer state of mind

@aintforever there is a well known phrase which has the words “shoot” and “foot” in it that could be applied to your response. He applied the comment to governments across the last 10 years so it wasn’t party political. Of what he said what is incorrect or is it right and you don’t like it?

Absolute nutters. https://spectator.com/article/inside-the-green-partys-orwellian-language-guide/

Fair enough that’s a pretty balanced response. My view is simply that government has become too interventionist and we have created too much reliance on the state, hence increased state spending and taxes, etc. that doesn’t mean that I think every single person on benefits is a scrounger or lazy or that people shouldn’t be helped when they genuinely need it. I just think the better long term answer is lower taxes rewarding work and risk and making it easier for businesses to invest and grow. That creates jobs and opportunities and ultimately a more aspirational society rather than continually increasing redistribution

I understand global shocks impact economies but it’s not that simple either. Government economic policies play a role, including government spending on welfare, and if the policies dont play a role why have economic policies! I don’t expect to keep everything - I expect a system that rewards hard work and risk and doesn’t encourage or reward people not to. If you’re employed 9-5pm and do that don’t expect to earn the big bucks and then moan about it and say others should be taxed more. I expect value for money for the tax being paid not for it to be pissed away on employing more and more bureaucrats who make business harder. Again you are looking at things too simplistically. People that earn a lot more typically work a lot harder, have more stress and significantly more responsibility and take significantly more risks to make that money originally and continue to make it, including putting personal guarantees in place to start businesses and secure investment etc. I have no problem with people making 20 times the money if they are worth it, continue to grow and business and keep people in jobs (I previously said I support increased pay for good senior people in the public sector). Again easy to look at a figure and say it’s unfair but that is a failure to understand the context and that the country needs to reward such people. If you want to apply that logic why should an officer worker get paid 4-5 times that of a cleaner in that office.

Yes big commercial buildings have been doing well for a number of years, including logistics sites, due to a lack of them rather than the success of economic policy but they have mainly been left to get on with it. Most other people aren’t as optimistic based on the direction of travel. Unlike residential co living student and hotel simple box commercial buildings haven’t been hammered by various taxes and charges which are increasingly scaring of investors. It sort of makes my point, the less government intervention / tax / bureaucracy the market system actually works well. Tamper and fiddle too much and it doesn’t

I keep landing on bloody super tax!

I believe you have entrenched views also. I i would be interested to know what these people are involved in as they would certainly be bucking the trend compared to lots of the people I work with who are pretty unanimous in terms of their view. What types of properties / land do they own? Do they rent their portfolio to local authorities?

Great response. These tend to be successful and experienced business owners within property and land, albeit with diversification / investment into other areas. Some of the responses from you and your friends are frankly immature and embarrassing. You can’t debate things and just come up with slurs again and again.

I don’t want him to fail but ann approach of tax and spend is flawed. Starmer did the same and numerous people said that it wasn’t sustainable and guess what….the Tories could have turned the tide and didn’t If he is a serious politician (I agree that barely any are) he will take a proportionate approach to taxing and spending. I think people are concerned that this won’t be the case but the budget will clarify that

Funnily enough pretty much everyone I speak to in business says something similar. People are fed up with their hard earned business revenue being increasingly taxed, in various ways, and it going on the gravy train

They profess to understand economics too. Anyway they probably won’t respond as their leader / dad has told them to ignore us both. 😉

Another great response. You lefties really can’t engage in any sensible conversation. Can you manage to engage with the point I made?

So if I’m Spanish and renting and can’t afford my rent what am I going to do next? The lefty government will try to introduce something similar to rent caps (I suspect, something that comrade khan wanted to introduce) which means people stop investing in rental properties which impacts the economy with less job generation and tax revenue and fewer rental properties, hurting the people the government were try to help. But hey nobody said socialism understands the real world.