Sir Ralph

Ditto - comic genius of the highest standard 😂

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https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-16023121/Man-arrested-body-British-woman-Athens-suitcase.html

I’m not responding as I have other things to do in my day. I’m off to make a Lego deportation camp 😂

Last questions I’ll respond to on this: 1. This was one of two initial suggestions I made - so not a solution in isolation. Technically there is no difference. However knowing you are going to be transferred out of Europe when you arrive to Rwanda is a physiological disincentive. For those with uncertain cases / lack of evidence I would ensure processing times are sufficiently enlongated to try to weed out the fakes. 2. By Italy taking this robust stance, as a key member it starts to put pressure on the eu or other eu countries to take the wider matter more seriously if it wants to maintain its core value of free movement. Hopefully other countries threaten this to put the pressure on even more.

The issue is the number of “centrists” that jump on a single post made by someone they don’t agree with. It’s the Spanish Inquisition by multiple centrists that makes responding to queries nearly impossible. It’s death by a thousand cuts. Attack en masse to quieten dissent - I’ve read about that type of strategy before in various countries! No wonder people with alternative views stop posting and it becomes an echo chamber of the “centrists” left. To answer one of the queries I agree that if we could be part of the Dublin agreeemnt that would help as a factor in reducing immigration

Each country has its own issue. I didn’t say get rid altogether. It’s about reducing the scope of who qualifies. Gaza maybe one example but there are either countries where there are alternative safe locations - do you agree? In terms of offshore processing this is about upon arrival in Europe - not moving between European countries as they should have already been moved offshore for processing. Why wouldn’t that work? To me that’s the biggest disincentive which the conservatives did put forward. An observation- there is a specific group of people on here who allege they a want to reduce illegal migration. Any suggestion of a change is met with “that’s a terrible ideas” or “it won’t work” rather than engaging with the issue. Not surprising but rather strange bearing in mind their alleged views on this matter

@JohnnyShearer2.0 head above the parapet. Do you have the answer to my question you promised last week you were struggling with?

It’s in the brackets - providing only temporary asylum in many instances and prioritising the relocation of people to safe parts of their own country rather than coming here. Rwanda is a good example. It’s possible if the incentives for those countries is in place and the legislation reducers the risk of challenge. No - they want to come here no be shipped out to another less preferrable location for processing. Im glad Italy has put the cat amongst the pigeons as it might start forcing the eu to take this even more seriously. Needs some good conservative governance from the relevant eu countries to force their hand harder

How about for starters reducing the scope of what is considered a refugee (including refugeee status being temporary and identitying safe areas in their own countries which means they should seek asylum in other countries) and allowing processing in offshore locations.

https://www.reuters.com/world/italy-suspends-eu-schengen-free-travel-pact-with-spain-over-ceuta-crisis-2026-07-31/ well done Italy

Exactly but as there haven’t been any changes we have heard of being passed in terms of changes to legal frameworks we can assume that it hasn’t been successful in changing the legal framework, even if it was trying. Thats why it’s reasonable to criticise the EU for not having used it’s influence to improve agreement / change legislation on returns rather than just changing its own internal rules (which are uncertain still as they rely on third countries cooperating, which they may not do). Get personal - it doesn’t bother me - I have my own view of you but it’s not productive sharing it and it doesn’t make me feel “big”.

So nothing we are aware of. My point being the EU as an organisation should be doing more to disincentivise illegal immgration through changes to the international legal framework. It seems that the EU isn’t taking this issue as seriously as it should and this is a failure on its part

My question is what has the eu done as a bloc to try to influence international law on this matter? happy to accept that the Dublin mechanism was one factor in helping to minimise migration.

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You don’t take political nuances from other sides at all. You are consistently on the side of increasing taxes and government intervention in society. That is somebody who is who has views to the left. Stop claiming you are a balanced “centrist”. Also in your post you have said I dismiss your posts by saying you are left and then done the same about me! In answer to your question about the Dublin agreement I don’t think it was a very successful process (apparently only 260 people were returned under it). My question is what has the eu done as a bloc to try to influence international law on this matter? This is a serious issue for eu members so I would have expected a lot of activity and trying to apply influence on this front….

Great. This suggests that the usual characters that regularly agree with you are probably on the same political spectrum. We are getting somewhere…

It does impact us. Pretty much every illegal migrant in the uk has come through Europe so seems a pretty legitimate point to me, if you’re concerned about illegal immigration

Just an observation- those on the right on this forum admit they are. Nobody has admitted to be on the left. On the balance of probability there has to be some on here. Maybe that is as a result of a perception that their views are actually centrists, even though they aren’t really.

Genuine question - what measures has the EU put in place to disincentivise illegal immigration. I assume EU countries have to abide by their laws so what has the EU done, including trying to influence international law?

And this attitude is why we have the problem

Oh I’m sure I have similar political opinions to them - I’ll admit it. I have no problem admitting my position on the political spectrum. Others do

Wow I didn’t realise you were so big time😂. I’m not going to get into a cock off with you as I don’t need to. You and your buddies (3 or 4 of them) have hijacked this forum, all support one another and convinced each other that you are centrists. It would be mildly amusing if it wasn’t so sad.

It’s a weird lefty echo chamber on here. A small group of “centrists” spend each and every day commenting which also suggests they should probably focus on work more rather than complaining other people that do work hard aren’t paying enough tax.

The centrists are off again. Being so reasonable and middle of the road.🤣 This issue in Spain is going to strengthen farage and badenochs hand.