Sir Ralph

Where is that mentioned please?

Absolutely now for the tax cuts 😂

Words can’t even….any chance for Owen jones to deflect. I can imagine such a balanced response if someone on the right had done this.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj4k2djd5qpo I like the policy and like most think it’s a positive move. Using the education system to actually prepare kids for the real world shocker!

Yes and crucially then linked to local council tax band payments, which are principally set at a local level to address local infrastructure. This is nationally based. Its very different.

You can have a local property tax based on local values - update the values if you want to. Have a tax that reflects the cost of local services and spend the money on local services. This appears to be a central taxation strategy for redistribution nationally which has littlebearing on local matters (sort of contrary to Burnham's proposals for devolution) under the badge of a local property tax. We already have income tax which does that job.

I've heard this argument been made a number of times. Its just different to the current approach but doesnt mean its wrong. This forum seems to have an issue with anyone who makes a suggestion which goes against the grain of the 'centrists' that have hijacked it.

And they are off. The 'centrists' who cant sensibly debate anything. You have an anger issue. Seek therapy.

Income tax already has a scale whereby if you earn more you pay more tax. In terms of Council tax this is for paying for local public infrastrucure. you havent answered why somebody in a 5 bed in London should pay the same as someone in Blackpool in a 5 bed property (who benefits from a lower cost of living) and that money doesnt go to the local area that the larger council tax payer lives in.

Why?

Yes for local public infrastructure that we use such as rubbish and recycling, street lighting, libraries, police and fire funding etc. My genuine question is why is it that Council tax could now be based on national values? Does somebody in a 5 bed house in Blackpool use less or more infrastructure than someone in a 5 bed in london? My understanding is that with this new tax my money would go to fund infrastrucutre in other area, not in my local area. Why? It is irrelevant to mitigating my public infrastructure usage footprint as its in a completely different area.

This is about council tax. What is the purpose of Council tax?

Isnt Council tax a charge for services though. What does it have to do with the value of the property. If you have a 5 bed in blackpool or london why do you rely more on services if you are in london, rather than blackpool? Hopefully they dont bring it in. Transitional arrangements would be required as if you have already paid stamp duty you shouldnt have to pay this and it would catch too many pensioners otherwise that couldnt afford it. My Council tax would double to just shy of 5 figures annually. It would be a joke if it was brought in, just another way of taxing those who have worked hard. The statement after it was batted down by the spokesman was that the chancellor would be taking a view on all matters.

“Hardly answers a question when pushed and then pivots. “ I asked a straightforward question where did I pivot - you haven’t answered it

So you can’t answer the question?

The word “conveyed” makes no sense. It’s an incorrect use of the word. Also condescending is interesting when I’ve been called a c-bomb multiple times so it’s strange you’ve not mentioned that. Notwithstanding that I assume you have read this thread and confused me with someone else. The amount of desperate pivoting and deflecting by your buddies is beyond belief. Answer me this where did I pivot in this thread?

Read anyone that votes for a party I don’t like is a knuckle dragging racist. Another “centrist” 😂

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/general/premier-league-clubs-target-vote-next-week-on-landmark-financial-deal-with-efl/ar-AA28Esq2?ocid=edgemobile

my answer no was in reference to farage not hitler. I’ve explicitly said hitler was responsible for the holocaust so stop pretending otherwise. If you want to debate farage so so rather than inventing positions I don’t hold. The system works along the famous words “innocent till proven guilty”. It’s the foundation of the legal system unless you want to argue something different

Stop deflecting and trying that. Frankly embarrassing. Hitler was responsible that’s why his henchmen were tried and found guilty of war crimes and genocide. He couldn’t be tried because he committed suicide. I’ll help you - The answer to the farage question is “no” he isn’t guilty of those things. Don’t be partisan and answer the simple question i posed. If you think allegations alone are sufficient for someone to be guilty argue that but don’t avoid the simple question

I’ll help you - “no”. We wouldn’t want anyone taking a partisan view on here

I haven’t read it all but only accusations (likely politically motivated) - anyone can make accusations. If found guilty it’s a different matter. At the moment has he been found guilty of any of the things you said. Simple yes or no

I know it’s as if these “centrists” seem to have an agenda. The words “knickers” and “twist” come to mind.

Who said that? Read what’s been said not what you think was said. It might help. Flippin heck one side of this forum have got very excited about protecting AB all because I said that being mayor of Manc is being overstated as his likelihood of being a good pm. Talking of partisan….

Your analysis of a centrist is accurate. You regularly fall on one side in debates so my opinion is that your self analysis is inaccurate, even if it may help you to feel your views are justified . Someone like @whelkseems to be more of a centrist as he (maybe a she 😂) falls on both sides. He won’t agree with my stance on matters but I still think he is in the middle ground