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If you take the argument to that level no one can help you. My Dad farmed until he was 72, and only packed in because my mothers health needed his full attention. The debate Paxman is raising is not about you or him personally. It’s about a generation not seeing a bigger picture, and voting for its own narrow self interest, and seeing its absolute rights as individuals outweighing the needs of wider society and the future generation. My dad, now 78, can see it, and agrees with me. His view is that he has been part of the luckiest generation ever to live. Would you disagree with him?

There you go. You’ve just ticked whiney.

That’s the rub though you see. Whilst I don’t disagree with most of the above, (10% and more serious vocational part time further ed, for a start), straightforward tax of high incomes/property etc. is progressive and fair as well, but you won’t persuade your high income, end of career people to vote for that. You can’t get a “graduate” tax for only a specific generation to sound even half fair either. So it has been called “a loan”, with an uncertain future liability. Really unfair, sneaky and nasty.

That would be no-one under 90 and selected vets from the Falklands and the Gulf then?

Again, this.

This.

You have to earn £65k plus to beat off the interest from a 4 year Masters degree at a decent uni. Source; my son in his 3rd year of a maths MA at Reading. The problem with the “you’ll never have to pay it off” argument is that successive governments have changed the goalposts a couple of times already. It is time for society to stop letting them do that, and stand up for the next generation. If you owed them 60 grand would you trust them? Because, I know I don’t. Having to pay the additional tax is just unfair anyway, after circumstances were so different for us.

I believe the NHS is facing a storm of factors including a greater range of available treatments, increasing life expectancy, increase in population. Not least modern life has become so complex with freedom of information, data protection, and a very litigious culture. So many factors have to be considered in just employing people, and when you have such a massive organisation it becomes utterly unmanageable. I would imagine that the years of creation and optimism around the NHS are very difficult to recapture! Fair play to anyone who is trying. Genuinely. My testimony on Poole A&E, was honest, I think, although you are right in terms of me not really knowing the exact background of the staff that were attending. My only point is that to blame all of this solely on immigration, (when lots of immigrants are working in the health system), is just really crap.

If you want to be serious, did you benefit from; - Free further and higher education? - Cheap houses and a steady rise in their value? - Plentiful “real” jobs? - A large publicly owned housing stock, that you could buy at a cut down rate if you were a tenant? - Early retirement from nearly all public sector jobs, with pay offs? - Final salary pension schemes, where, particularly in the public sector, a promotion got thrown in for the last year just to jack up the payout? - Low taxation, subsidised by successive governments, of both colours, that sold off anything they could lay their hands on during the 70’s/80’s, and then borrowed a load more for our kids to pay off through the scams that are PFI and student loans? - The “buy to let” boom? Are you grateful? Is it fair that the legacy for the generation below 30 is massive student debt, now with 6.1% interest, and deregulation of the employment market through the gig economy?

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Immigration! Honestly, **** off. I took my nipper down to Poole A&E three weeks ago for stitches in his hand, and it’s the same as every other visit in the last 10 years. Lots of fat white people barely motivated to get dressed before going out, being attended to by a staff of immigrants, prepared to do unpleasant work. The idea that immigration is stressing rather than propping up our health system is contrary to everything I can see, when I go anywhere near a hospital. I wouldn’t deny the vote to anyone. It would just be wrong, but, as a generation, the baby boomers have become winey, entitled, smug, self serving and ungrateful for the opportunities they have had.

He’s spot on.

I believe Mr Gao and his daughter attended the Bournemouth away game, because two people fitted their description, were shown around corporate hospitality, and a colleague said, “that’s your owners there that is”. Was this mistaken identity? I only enquire because surely he’s not going to a game, and then not following form and league position? Of course sale of assets may be his main priority, but at least trying a new manager for a short term boost must be worth a punt? Cheaper and a better bet than god knows what on Carrillo. All of it can make sense on some level except sticking with MP. ☹️

I think 2 seconds is plenty long enough to decide now, unless they have completely ignored the last 20 or so football matches. I am in a management position. I promise.

She did add a bit of sparkle to it though! Promotion? De-motion? Mystifying.

...in contrast to our brilliant league position.

All achieved with a gig economy and lots of pointless higher or further education. Nothing to be read into Brexit either way, but little to really celebrate in the employment market in this country, if you are a realist.

Actually, your post has made me very annoyed. No, very very annoyed. Reminiscent of all these clowns claiming to have sacrificed for Britain in the war, and it turns out they were born in 1952!! The 90’s were a giant killing roller coaster of a party in the Dell, that was tailor made to unsettle the enemy. And you got to enjoy a whole decade of it. You ungrateful swine.

Not me. Went to nearly every home game from 94, and we always felt like we had a good shout of staying up. This just feels like Wigley and the relegation season I’m sorry to say.

Apparently they were walking around, winking at the players and making noose gestures behind Pellegrino’s back.

Completely. What would it cost him to just say “we are looking at form and league position and trust me we are concerned”? No chance. Looks like he lacks that basic integrity. Just one of those guys that has been around business and found a way to talk a good living out of it, from the outskirts. The world is full of them.

Yep. You have to question whether the virtue of the struggle was what the generation that invented early retirement, and failed to maintain our education system, had in mind. Not me. If that's what we're doing, bring it on.

I'm an ardent remainer. I've visited many parts of Europe on countless occasions during my lifetime, and have felt genuinely like a European. I think that, as a symbolic thing, the Brexit vote is the saddest politics of my life time, harking back to the worst aspects of Britain in the early 70s. But I will say this; it has been made too easy by our own people for British business, mine included, to recruit foreign talent, both cheap and otherwise, through the European Union, in recent times. We all know many honourable exceptions, but if the indigenous British working populous finally come to terms with rolling their sleeves up and doing a proper shift, in terms of either mental or physical activity again, valuing work for its own sake just a little more, rather than just being obsessed with vacuous status and debt driven materialism, then after a very bumpy ride, Brexit may turn out to be a good thing! Either that or we will sink like a stone.

The Labour Party prognosis; the masses are good and if you are nice enough to all of them, they will all become productive. The Tory alternative; the masses are lazy and bad and if you are nasty enough to them they will all become productive. Unsurprisingly neither is a useful theory to understand or manage the modern world but you crack on and re-run 1945 or 1979 or something again. It's your time after all.

Exits stage left goose stepping with index finger over top lip.