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But there was no need for the restaurant to then appoint a manager who was at first supported, then quickly shafted. And then there was non need whatsoever to promote the waiter to become manager. Goold Rupert, he's such a unifying figure isn't he:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Were you saying we should have stuck by Wigley back in Autumn 2004??

I'd say the biggest influence will be: 1. Players & Manager - Keep losing and it unravels. 2. Supporters - If 1. fails then they fail to turn up and it gets worse. 3. Bank - Will ask for action to compensate for 2. 4. Wilde & the Cabal - Will part of that action be sacrificing Lowe. 5. Bank, Norwich Union & other creditors - If not happy (and not getting paid) then they will pull the rug and Lowe will be off.

Because then someone might come in and rescue the Club many of them purport to love. Most of the recent CCC takeovers have been for nominal sums. As someone else has mentioned above, I'm amazed that people would even consider paying £1 to buy a debt ridden club that is racking up more losses every week. Many shareholders at other clubs have taken a hit in the pocket in order for their club to move forward. Of course, on a hard nosed business side, they are well within their rights to hold on to their shares and either sell them for the price they want or to try and turn this Club around. The potential downside of this is obvious, in that if no one wants to pay over the odds, or if they fail (and it's not looking good sat here today), then the Club they purport to love may well cease to exist (at least in the form we know).

Whilst I agree there is a need for stability, there is also a need to be pragmatic. I was (and still am) one of the critics who had big issues with chopping and changing, but I am also happy to stand up and say I had no problem when we chopped and changed to remove Wigley!!!!!! The issue there was the appointment in the first place, not the sacking of him. I would never have advocated keeping him on just out of a need for stability. Nor would I have said there's "nothing that can be done", "the dice have been rolled", "we have to work with the squad we have" etc etc etc. A different manager may well be able to et different results out of the same set of players. But for the record, 7 games is too early to be calling for Jan's head, but that doesn't mean the alarm bells are going off down here. I'm not bothered about the Carling Cup, so the games against Donny, Norwich and Coventry (before we go into a two week break) will be very important.

A good "mentor"????????? Fccuk me, Hockaday must have the same bloke writing his CV as Jan did. Three years ago he was working with the kids at Watford (before that running college team/Academy). He had a stint as Watford coach before being booted out less than two years later. Did a few months coaching in Div 4 with MK Dons (never got going at Leicester). Turned up here a year ago as Youth Team Coach (so not sure how well he got to know all the academy ones in under a year!!!!). I must say that I'm not convinced that that looks like the credentials of a good mentor.

Nope, not Sunderland, they had 10 points after 9 games. Being honest, I reckon he has no idea and was fed that line by someone at the Club and then just repeated it. A bit worrying really!!!!!!!!!!

Wll I never said anything about fees, I said we should have looked around for free transfers and used the money we spent signing various youngsters (including their wages) on some seasoned pros. I would have also shipped out a few others to fund this. You were the one quoting specific numbers, not me. All I (and many others) have been saying that rather than going for broke in signing youngsters and bringing others through, that perhaps we should have gone a middle way of utilising those that are ready, along with getting in some old heads. We had a choice in what players we got, in exactly the same way as we had a choice over what players we went for. Finances may of course limit some of those decisins, but there were still choices to be had. It is rather naive to assume that Poortvliet was our only option as a manager, and again rather naive to assume that the players he got in (or did he???) were the only ones we could have got in.

From todays match I wonder how much Darren Moore cost Barnsley and we had Wotton & Perry playing. Don't be so naive.

And so should I because it is so ficuking soul destroying and frustrating. The missus, the goldfish and the pot plant have all been given an earful this evening!!!!!!!!!!!! Off out in a moment for a 40th in some dive down East Street where the house doubles are supposedly £1.50 a pop. Expect some lairy posts come midnight LOL.

That would certainly be true of some on here :smt060:smt060 I have to chuckle when I look back at the Total Football threads and ow this lower league manager , coupled with some failed Chairman were going to take us to the next level. I have to chuckle, because it is so depressing what is happening to my team (if not all too predictable).

They must be shi877ing themselves over the gate revenue. They probably had an idea from season ticket sales that we would not be up with last season, but there is no way they would have been budgeting around the 14,000-15,000 mark.

Saints aren't:mad:

Like I said a little piece of gossip, source : once removed from a first team player. With the Runnymede minutes showing Lowe wanted the DOF position (and Cowen supporting this), it isn't difficult to believe that Lowe has assumed this position and is having an influence on the team.

So maybe you could find out if he was in the dressing room before the QPR match as this is what I heard when I caught up with someone at lunchtime today. My little birdy said he was and that some found it very amusing, if not a tad surreal.

Today we have: "I am very disappointed because we had the chances to score" Maybe I was too busy knitting, but I don't remember these chances to score. Did their keeper make a save of any real significance??? It's all very well offering up these platitudes, but after 7 games we have oly won once, only have 5 points and have a -5 goal difference.

And maybe pressure should be brought to bear on the major shareholders to relenquish their shareholdings for a nominal fee (as has happened at other CCC clubs).

Well I heard some good gossip today and maybe the assertion from Alpine isn't too far from the truth. Was he in the dressing room before the QPR game, was he offering his input on team formation and tactics????? Was he in the dressing room again today talking tactics???? And as for some more gossip, did anyone hear about the bust up with Webster and Magilton midweek??? Apparently it got lairy as Webster was pi5s5ed off that Magilton did not acknowledge his help in getting Wright to go to Ipswich.

He is if he is having a major say on playing these youngsters. We should be told if he is the DOF and having input on team affairs.

And I couldn't even be bothered to rate the subs. Thomson - 4 - He really isn't ready John - 5 - Didn't really see the ball

Personally think the "Leon & Lawrie" is about as lame as "The Ex-Directory" one last season. Schoolboy stuff IMHO.

Please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No more talk of "Total Football". No more talk of the "Revolutionary Coaching Set Up". No more talk of the green shoots of recovery. etc, etc, etc. Barnsley were quite simply one of the worst fccuking teams to have ever played at SMS (on a par with Vospers!!!!), and we came nowhere near to beating them. That makes the current lot the worst Saints team to have ever played there!!!!! We were awful, and I saw nothing that gave me hope for the future. Had they not missed an open goal, we would be sitting at the bottom of the table. We are in a relegation scrap, no mistake about it and anyone who thinks differently is in la la land. Davies - 6- Nothing to do. Cork - 5 - Nothing special and a few misplaced passes Perry - 6 - OK, nothing to do really (Barnsley wer terrible) Wotton - 6 - As above Mills - 5 - Never offered anything going forward, never had anything to do defending. Wright-Phillips - 4 - Would be better off asking someone from the Chapel to make the numbers up. Surman - 6 - Much better in midfield, but never set the world alight. Gillet - 5 - Did nothing Lallana - 6 Tried everything, but never really come off and wasn't supported. Pekhart - 5 - Tried (and taht's about it) McGoldrick - 4 - Awful We had absolutely no cutting edge whatsoever. AWFUL.

I totally agree that most people are not going because we're either not in the top flight or not winning, but I'm also sure there are some who are not going for the reasons I stated. And my reply was in response to you and the other poster saying that not going for that reason was "stupid" or that it was a "lame excuse". For some, I don't think it is either, for the reasons I outlined.

But wasn't Dave Watson massive as well (really broad)????? Or was it the fact that when you're about 12????????

But why is it stupid? For some it is a perfectly reasonable position to hold, in that Lowe and others have reduced this Club to a shell of it's former self. Football has itself changed from the game I started out watching 30 years ago, and our club has also changed (for the worse) over recent years, and I'm not just talking about performances. I feel no real affinity with any of the players and I have lost some of my affinity for the Club. It may of course be more down to me, but I would also argue that our Club has moved away from its supporters (just as maybe a number of clubs have). Football as a whole appears to have moved away from it's core supporters and I think we as a Club have had to suffer more trials tribulations on top of that. Given all that, I don't think it's unreasonable for some to give up going, particularly when the main architect of our own woes has rocked back up. I can easily see why some have said "Fccuk it and fcucuk him".