saintjay77

If it wasnt then we would have a team full of experienced prem class players and the youngsters wouldnt get a chance. I wasnt saying that we are the only ones to rely on youth as your right, plenty of other teams have to do it. How its done and the skill to apply what the manager wants is the magic factor in any team. WGS took lowly southampton to its best prem league finish and a FA Cup final with a similar team that got relegated a few years later. Wires are crossed with our club and its looking like its never going to work.

Lallana is the only one that the OS have tried to explain but how often is a player injured just before a transfer window? Doesnt look good at all and even worse if this is what we are left with.

I am all for that type of talk when things are looking like they are getting better. but they are not and havnt been for a while so i doubt many will be suggesting everything is going to be all right.

nor mine but shows how far we have fallen for me to be thinking hcdajfu!!!

If thats the case then maybe we are being harsh on JP but personally I thik he is a little desperate and is making more and more bizare decissions.

I wasnt suggesting he would pick them for the 1st team unless there really wasnt an alternative. No idea on why they are all in the team today while leaving some of the others out but surley they cant be the only alternative?

A few If's here but bare with me,,, If they were still with us and If we were still in the prem and If we had a manager/managment team that believed in the youth I actually think this could work based on the income would be allot higher and we could afford the experience to blend that youth in. Right now I have moved from the view that things were improving and we would be safe by the end of the season to the view that we are royally fooked and within a couple of seasons I will be able to see saints away at Torquay.

Just watching Dowie reporting on the Wolves - Shef U game and wondering what he could do with our team right now?

I dont think ther is too much problem with the long term plan and the idea of the youth is a pretty good idea. Think we are looking a little too much at the next 5 years when we need to address this season 1st or like woolies we wont be around to enjoy the next 5 years.

I know this youth thingy is meant to be a long term plan and we should all give it the time it deserves but surley its not right for us to watch us head towards sunday pub football while we wait? Even Donny can give Forrest a proper spanking FFS!

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any sign of anything positive from us?

Reliance on youngsters is a nessecity but JP unfortunatly is not up to the job so if something can be done it needs to be done ASAP.

cant say that I have much if any

Hull manager giving his team a right bol1ocking on the pitch. Hats off to the guy

Dyer playing well for Shef U. anyone think he playing to stay?

I LOL'd

will phone me bro and tell him to start singing!

out of how many chances though? Mind you thats the same for all our efforts. lots of chances and no end product.

Bugger I should have got a sitter and gone just for the chance of joining in on the public kicking he would have got.

Can you imagine what defoe and crouch will do to our defence?

Not going to be there and im gutted. wife is working and i got the kids so im buggered. Was hoping that we would be on a nice little run surprising people by now but last few performances have been going in the other direction so not sure i would have enjoyed a nervy afternoon in plym anyway. At least if things are going bad I can go and entertain the kids to take my mind off things this arvo. jesus I dont think I have been this negative before a game for ages!!!!! COYR's

I agree with all of that totally. but then its not dressing any situation up for anything more than it is. which is my point. Lowe's PR machine is forever picking out the juiciest bits that can (try to) make him look like something he is clearly not and twisting words and facts and we all go nuts about it. the vote percentage that showed he had 95% support is 1 example and is completly laughable. But does that mean the anti-lowe lot should use the same tactics? Lowe got a name for himself for sacking managers when he only sacked 1 i think. the reasons each one left have been talked about on and on but still he has a tag for sacking managers. no wonder we cant get rid of the guy when all we have a go at him for is stuff that aint true!!! the people that need to be convinced he is not the right man for our club are also the people that accept resignations so they can hardly get rid of him for sacking people either. they deal in the facts and while we deal in rumours why should they listen to us? anyway i dont like falling out with fellow saints and i hope i havnt. its xmas eve and im shattered from watchin the panto with me kids. hope you all have a good crimbo

to answer your question and ignore your other rubbish I agree that Lowe wanted his own man in but if your contract has a get out at a certain time and the company choose to excersize that get out then its still hardly being sacked no matter how bad it feels.

you seem to be the only one who knows the ins and outs of his contract and your stating things as fact. thing is we have heard facts from StDavid, Tommac, Fulthorp, PA, Crouch, Lowe, Wilde and LM that have all been a load of gumf so why should your facts be any different? why and how Lowe did it is fair game to get hacked off about. the guy deserved a chance but lowe thought he knew best. he has thought he has known best on loads of things and IMO he has got less than 50% of those things right which is never in a million years enough to be a success at anything. going through 10 managers is a problem but saying he sacked 10 managers is donkey balls. Have a go at him for his faults and I am with you but spin and make things up to have a go at and your as bad as Lowe himself.