saintjay77

As I said above, its got F all to do with political reasons. No matter how bad things are at a football club it should never be compared IMO to something which has taken a mum away from 4 kids youngest being 2 years old, another mum taken away from 4 year old twins and a good lady in her 20's. I wont fall out with anyone over it but I dont think that choice of words has any place in discribing anyone associated with any football club.

LOL I posted my results earlier and laughed at how rose tinted my glasses were but they must have been magnifying glasses when I tried to load up the table lol I was pretty shocked for us to win 3 in a row so if we get anywhere near 63 points ill prolly knock myself out when i fall over lol

Ive lost 3 people in the past year to that and its not something I compare Lowe with thanks very much. Its a fuking football club. reality check needed IMO

LOL I cant get it any bigger!!!!! incoming inuendo? lol

LOL my rose tinted glasses put us in 11th on 63 points. Still 10 points out of the plsay offs thougho so im still gutted lol Barnsley Norwich Charlton to go down though.

Made me LOL

ima up to the 7th April and within a couple of matches we have jumped from 22nd to 12th!!!!! Its bloody tight in the bottom half of the table so we really could end up anywhere by the end of the season.

I think you push it to the line a fair few times but wind your neck in before it goes too too far. Maybe its down to you and 1 or two others that 1965 lost it and went all the way to a banning? like you say though, if you dont undersand that what you are saying is over the line then you wont know when to wind it back.e This place would be boring if we all thought the same though so hopefully 1965 has just got a short ban.

I didnt bother reporting anyone but from both sides it was getting silly but look back and you will see one side stopped. I guess they got warned by Admin and listened. 1965 didnt and carried on, even goading the admin into an argument. He then came up with a thread that started off well and soon decended into 1965 name calling and shouting his mouth off again. Thats not speaking out, its shouting down anyone who dares to disagree with you. I disagree with most of your views but I dont insult you and shout you down, i argue my case and you do the same. We are both still here with oposing views and I know I havent been warned for anything either. 1956 was out of order and wouldnt calm it down so ended up getting banned. We dont know if he sent PM's either which could also be the route of any banning. IMO he didnt get the boot for speaking out, but for insulting and prevoking fights with anyone that had a differeng opinion.

His original point was fair enough and could have been a thread that we all talked about like adults. Like this thread is now TBH. But his wording baited some who turned the thread into a bit of name calling and the thread got closed. it happened time and again with everyone getting warned. the one who got banned was the only one who carried on name calling and baiting long after the warnings had been made. he wasnt banned for making a point that was against Lowe.

I understand where your coming from but cant agree on all of it. You must have seen the accounts through the last few years as they get released for all to see. Its quite obvious that our finances are in a mess so to say that our high earners were not played because Lowe thought the kids could do better is ridiculas. I agree that he probably thought they were good enough to keep us out of trouble and he was wrong but a big part of that must come down to the management combined with the inexperience. But to ignore the state of the finances is ignoring 1 of the biggest facts we actually have. We were relegation candidates many years while Lowe was here and also many years before that. I think we have only really had 2 purple patches in our existance. (well what I know of it anyway but hands up if I am wrong) Some of the years I think we were relegation candidates by the pundits for a laugh rather than what the pundits thought we could actually achieve but for years we enjoyed beating the odds and doing OK for ourselves some of the time and escaping the rest. Not all of those times can be put down to Lowe though can they? And besides over the years did things not progresivly get better untill they went t1ts up at the end? Did we really not spend in the relegation season? And why not if thats true? I remember Redcrapp bringing in a few faces but I also remember a majority of that team reaching the highest prem position and an FA Cup final not long before so it could be suggested that they should be doing allot better. I dont think Rupes wasnt bothered that we went down but I agree with you in that he probably thought we would bounce straight back up. He maybe even planned to be down for a season and to bounce back up the season after. The mistake IMO was not getting rid of dead wood that had been collected by the various managers over the years as that clogged up our squad and wage bill with crocked players and old timers. But now is the time when the changes wernt happening that much on the pich, but in the board room which like it or not was a huge distraction to anything that could be tried on the pitch. I dont put our troubles down to the board room battles but I dont think any of it helped us at all. Look where we are now? Fighting to stay in the CCC with the same bloody guy back in charge!!!! Its like we had a trip on the merry-go-round for nothing. The highest position I was talking about was in the prem and not before the prem but it was the highest position many of us had seen and comparing teams of today to teams of way back when I would say 7th in the prem for a team of our standing was bloody good going and is nothing to be sniffed at. I agree that there should have been no reason why we couldnt have stayed up as IMO we had a stronger team than many of the survival teams we had in the past. But again you say Lowe didnt strengthen but I think we did (or at least tried) How mnay managers have we had that have not brought any new players in? Either on loan or on contract? the problem IMO was having the wrong managers and not clearing out the dead wood again to allow for new blood. I think for a while we had one of the largest squads in the prem and over half of them couldnt get a game because they were either injured or p155 poor. Rupes wanted the manager to look inside the club for future prospects rather than pay a fortune for more has beens and sick notes. looking at past signings its not hard to understand why. Redcrapp wasnt the right manager to apply this philosophy as we saw when he threw a cup game by chucking a load of kids in with what seemed like no real instructions. (something that JP seemed to follow on from) Wotte on the other hand is going for a better mix of the kids and experience and it is looking like its working so far. So while Rupes was in charge and yes he got many things wrong IMO the blame gets spread around all over the place while Rupes holds the responsability for it all. There has been mismanagement while Rupes was out and that cant be ignored just the same as Rupes mismanagment cant be. Although I can iunderstand why both sets of missmanagement happened and I dont go waving my finger at any of them because of it.

I didnt slate him and was half ready to give him a go. not because i thought he would do any better or because i thought he was the best choice. It was more because id lost all hope in anything good happening at SFC so didnt really object to it. Ill eat humble pie for the JP decission though as I thought he would have suprised everyone and would have got a team based around kids taking the P out of allot of teams. I was wrong so hands up.

I wonder if I can buy just the 2? lol

your probably not wrong how much are they now? I might be able to afford 1 or 2 lol

haha and after i just agreed with your other view too

See your point and I agree. I doubt there will be any whole sale changes though as surly its wise to at least try to keep a winning team together? Can you imagin a JP moment and all the high earners get dropped in favour of a bunch of acadamy debut's? But like you say if Wotte thinks Brum's system will be negative to ours he should be looking to doing something differently to either suprise them or make the most of there weekness'

yeah im only getting my info from snippets I read on here so as for the real figures I guess we will find out when the accounts get released. Not that I totally understand them anyway though lol. a winning team shoulod boost the numbers though and the shareholders are a long way off dividends so it should all make it back into the club somehow.

and its basically what the original threads got closed for. the others that were doing the same seemed to have listened to the mods and cut it out yet he is alloud to continue? And he claimed he was being censored lol

yeah it is just my opinion. whats your point? where did I say anyone person is right? you seem to be all for jumping into bed with Ginge because it appears he supports your view. I actually thought half of what he said almost made sence and the rest was stuff he dreamed up. I didnt say he was wrong i just said his arguments against nickh's comments didnt really fit. But I have not woke up this morning after a bad dream about Rupes so im not looking for an argument.

I thought they have already got it down to 4.5mil from 6.5mil? Not sure what the club agreed with the bank but at a guess that is more than the bank expected so any more we can do will keep them very happy and we will keep there support.

LOL no he didnt at all. His arguments are based on his POV. That doesnt mean they are right just as much as it doesnt mean anyone else is right. Its getting easier to laugh at the extremists as even when things apear to be going right they still try to fight there corner with ridiculas statements based on rumour and very cloudy opinions. Even Alps and Stanley have supported the fact that the team are at least trying even though they will never change the opinion of those in the board. I was sure Stanley was a skate and was sure Alps needed some help with depression but string a few wins together and they have both shown more about them as fans of SFC than you are showing today. Not many will argue that Rupes deserves to be at our club and not many will argue for him to stay. Most of us just want a better alternative to grow a pair and help us kiss goodbye to this petty squabling.

Before the Preston game Wotte said he thinks we need 6 wins to be safe. With 3 already and if your right in that we get another against Derby we would only need 2 more. Unfortunatly because everyone else is getting results we will need more still and I think in his report after last night he says we still need another 5 wins or so. I was expecting us to be dead and burried at this stage if everyone else picked up results. Just hope we can keep this run going.

Id go for the same as before. Its a system that seems to be working so why change it? I guess Lallana will be back in for Morgan and we have a few defensive options on the bench so keep going as we are I say.

Unfortunatly the people who get the debate going and make a name for everyone else are the ones that do want the club to fail as that is the way they think they will see the back of Lowe. Likewise the muppets who think Lowe is the best thing since sliced bread. The Extreme Anti's and Extreme Pro's manage to turn almost every thread into a conspiricy theory or slanging match. 98% of the others probably agree with you and dont care what league or position we are in we still want to see the back of Lowe for good. It would be nice to have a board that no-one needs to think about because we are all enjoying the football but I guess that will never happen.

Choosing JP over Wotte was a mistake and I doubt there is anyone who will think otherwise so no argument there. Can even go as far as saying dropping Pearson was the 1st mistake but mistakes are not just made by Lowe now are they? Talent is in the squad but with the finances almost ruined decissions were made to make sure we would still have a club by the end of the season. Like it or not costs had to be cut to get the overspending back on track. I wouldnt say Rupes turned us into relegation candidates either considering we survived by 20 mins last season. How with a weekend team and new set up we would sufddenly be any better than last season I will never know. Relegation sure did cost us millions but I dont see how Rupes planned or wanted that to happen? To try and avoid relegation Rupes brought in Redcrap who in many peoples eyes was the best choice available to get us out of the sheyte. He even added to the team that not long before reached the highest league position and an FA Cup final and we still went down. Yet its all down to Lowe? His businessman skills can be debated and some would argue that we stayed up allot longer than anyone expected and we actually got better for some of the time while improving our squad and facilities beyond anything we had dreamed before. We wernt in the red in that time either and all debt was agreed and managable debt. No overdraft or spending beyond our means. Unlike what followed after Rupes was given the boot I might add. Since he has come back we have again added to the squad and we are still not in administration and our overdraft has come down by around 2mil. while gates have fallen to the same low's as last season. If the gates increase no doubt next season will look a little better in terms of finances but Rupes has set out our budgets and is sticking to them by all accounts. Something that others failed to do. Yes i want him out but I want someone in that can do better. That someone hasnt shown up yet.