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Well said and I think that all football fans, whatever their politics, can appreciate the level of dedication he had to his team. I understand that even when he was Leader of the Opposition he very rarely missed a meeting of the London branch of the Plymouth Supporters Association because he loved to talk about Argyle with fellow fans. Some politicians like to affect being football fans, but Michael Foot was the genuine article. RIP Michael

I remember a few years ago Plymouth registered him as a player with the #90 shirt as a present for his 90th birthday.

I'm disappointed that 4-1 will be in the record books, but we have given as good as we've got, anyone watching (including the Pompey fans) know we've been the better team for vast stretches of the match. Saints, you've done me proud today, the same spirit for the rest of the season please.

Can't there be some sort of health warning before posting pictures of TCWTB on here, especially around mealtimes?

Given the seemingly inflated value of the playing staff on the balance sheet have Pompey shot themselves in the foot in not being able to sell players for less than they said they were worth?

While B1+365 is okay for casual use, it will mess up at leap years so I like =date(year(B1)+1,month(B1),day(B1)) instead.

According to the Pompey fans the embargo will be lifted at 4pm if it's going to be lifted at all.

Might the Pompey side have been pumped up because they know they're out of a job in a few weeks time and need to impress potential employers?

If you play for a club past the transfer window closes aren't you then barred from playing for another team until the transfer window reopens? Isn't that why Sol Campbell had to sit out until January 1st?

If Pompey can't make the January wage bill then when will they be able to make it. After the transfer deadline shuts, they will have no sources of income apart from gate receipts and club shop from then to the end of the season. I reckon their income must be max £750k a month from February to May, total £3m, when their wage bill alone has to be close to £12m and that's not counting any existing debts. I think they might squirm out of the 10th February hearing without being wound-up, companies are usually shown leniency if they show that they are making progress, but if they don't get any extra money by selling players this transfer window or getting in extra investment, they won't make it to the end of the season.

TDD, you think that the EDL is nothing to do with the BNP. That makes me think that you don't know a lot about this topic.

In a way, I hope they don't get banned, banning them would allow Choudary to claim many thousands of supporters and stoke up ill feeling towards Muslims even more. He wants the EDL to attack Muslim targets, because then he can gather recruits for his nutjob group.

Hate to say to TDD and Sour Mash that I told you so, but I told you so. Choudary's 500 marchers don't exist anywhere else but in his head. He managed to gather up 20 protesters for Luton and that's the best he's done anywhere. Muslims just don't support him.

Maybe to keep it out of Daniel Azougy's account?

TDD, you're defending these guys? It's possible to be against Choudary's nutters and against the thuggery of the EDL, it's just that in my opinion the EDL are more dangerous. After all, there's a lot more of them. As for UAF, their aims are on their website: The UAF does not seek to silence fascist and extreme right voices, but doesn't want them in any kind of political power. That's because when the fascists are in charge, they aren't that keen on free speech for anyone else.

To be far ESB, I haven't spoken out about this march, for the main reason that I don't think Choudary and his mates would actually bother to turn up or if they did, in such pitiful numbers that no-one would take them seriously again. There was a protest planned by the KKK in I think Georgia last autumn about some slight to their "proud Confederate heritage". It could have been banned, but no, all four of them turned up clad in white hoods, one of them shouted some slogans before they all skulked home again after only a couple of minutes. There's a Youtube of it somewhere, that's how to treat bigots like Islam4UK.

So, let me get this right, see if I can follow your logic. National Front get popular, the Anti Nazi League is set up in response. National Front spin off into the BNP, the Anti Nazi League join up with other groups to form Unite against Fascism. The BNP moan that Unite against Fascism are always in opposition to them and it's not fair. One bloke (Choudary) says that he wants Sharia Law in Britain and an Islamic dictatorship. The BNP and their EDL offshoot jump up and down about it and cause a stir that Choudary could not have created on his own. So what should UAF do? Do what the BNP wants UAF to do, which is completely abandon it's opposition against them and mobilise it's supporters against one fringe nutjob? I don't see the point of that.

Islam4UK is one bloke and a few of his hanger-on mates, there's more Saints Web Forum addicts then there are followers of Anjem Choudary. Must I as a white, working-class centre-left political type stage a protest about every fringe nutjob out there?

I'm proudly on the left, a member of Unite Against Fascism, though I did support the right of Nick Griffin to be on Question Time as I believed that he would show himself up to be an idiot. It's not hypocritical to condemn something as bad without referring to something else as equally bad. You couldn't say that people who work for the RSPCA are saying that cruelty to children is okay, you wouldn't say that someone that is campaigning to save the Panda is perfectly alright with the Bengal Tiger going extinct. While fundamental Islamists are deeply unpleasant with views that I strongly condemn, they aren't fascists in the normal dictionary meaning of the word. I don't have time to campaign against everything that's bad in our world - I suspect you don't either. I feel that a group of fascists who got half a million votes in a real election last year are more dangerous to our democracy than a bunch of Islamists that would struggle to hold a rally in a phonebox. Your mileage may vary but I'm not a hypocrite.

Because their main aim is the establishment of a fascist dictatorship in the United Kingdom.

I wouldn't have supported a Southampton 1885 team if there was a real Southampton FC in existence, but if SFC had gone down the tubes and S1885 had been created, then it would have been the real Saints to me, kind of like a form of reincarnation. No-one doubts that Aldershot Town is the real Aldershot, likewise for Halifax, Wimbledon, Newport, Accrington Stanley, Maidstone. If the worst did happen for Pompey, the new club would smell just as fishy as your old one, I'm certain you would still be a Pompey supporter.

Absolutely right, Islam UK is thought to have less than 100 members and they do have a track record of announcing demonstrations that gain a lot of publicity that they then don't show up for. Look back at the so-called "March for Sharia" planned for London on 31st October last year, they released a press statement, calling on all Muslims to join the march, the Daily Express put it on their front page under the banner headline "Now Muslims demand Sharia law" without mentioning it was a tiny, completely unrepresentative group of idiots. Islam UK claimed that 5,000 people would march - what actually happened... nothing. The day after the planned march, Islam UK announced that it had been cancelled due to "security concerns" which was about as believable as the excuses Pompey come up with for not paying players. A previous poster said that you shouldn't ignore small groups like this. I agree, but the way to deal with them is to not to give them excuses about how they are persecuted, but to show everyone where they stand. Islam UK remind me of the Westboro Baptists, a very tiny bunch of intolerant bigots who want to get us to overreact. They should be laughed at as we get on with living and working with our friends of all faiths and none. Don't hate Muslims just because Islam UK are idiots.

Firstly, I've already answered that one and secondly, you decided not to bother with the rest of the post. I don't mind debating with you PES, you actually seem to have a few brain cells unlike most of your fishy brethen but if you can't be bothering to argue in good faith then I'm just going to let you speak to yourself.

Equal 32nd with about 20 other teams, but remember, that's your best argument and it doesn't stand up. How about Saints having more seasons in the top division than Pompey, having less seasons in the fourth division than Pompey, more seasons in Europe, getting as far as a quarter final in Europe. And as Pompey fans seem to have forgotten, Saints have won more matches against Pompey as Pompey have against Saints. League: Saints won 14, Pompey won 8, Drawn 8 FA Cup: Saints won 4, Pompey won 0, Drawn 0 League Cup: Saints won 1, Pompey won 0, Drawn 0 Total League and Cup: Saints won 19, Pompey won 8, Drawn 8. Where it matters, throughout history, Saints have generally been the better team on the pitch. Enough said.

Except that Pompey haven't really won that many trophies, if we look at actual things won, then where would Pompey be counted? This list is the total number of titles won (League Championships, FA Cup, League Cup, Champions League, Cup Winners Cup, Fairs/UEFA Cup and Club World Cup. 1) Liverpool 40 2) Manchester United 37 3) Arsenal 27 4) Aston Villa 20 5) Tottenham Hotspur 17 6) Everton 15 7) Chelsea 14 Newcastle United 11 9) Blackburn Rovers 10 10) Wolverhampton Wanderers 9 11) Manchester City 9 12) Nottingham Forest 9 13) Sunderland 8 14) Sheffield Wednesday 8 15) Leeds United 7 16) West Bromwich Albion 7 17) Wanderers 5 18) Sheffield United 5 19) West Ham United 5 Huddersfield Town 4 Portsmouth 4 Preston North End 4 Burnley 4 Bolton Wanderers 4 So, if you actually look at trophies won, Pompey are in a 5 way tie for 20th place. How do you make them Premier? But even your best argument doesn't wash - would Wanderers deserve a place in the Premier League based on 5 FA Cup wins when they haven't existed for over 120 years?