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Have to agree with this, there is no way Kelvin will fetch more than 1mill. I think selling Drew or Lallana now would be daft, neither are near their peak, it would be better for us, the player and the bank if we wait until at least the summer. Lallana inparticular has the potential to fetch serious cash if he keeps improving.

Pompey will only be in trouble if they have to sell their top players, with their current squad they will not be in any danger of relegation - even with donkey Adams in charge.

Of course all managers buy some rubbish, it's just a case of how many. That's why it is vital to get the best manager possible, hiring someone just because they are cheap or will just be a yes man is the best way to waste money. When you're skint and have to blood on kids, a talented manager is the first thing you need.

Of course they were all brought in to replace more expensive players, but you cannot argue that Jan has had the resources to build his own team. Paying Forecast's wages is a complete waste of money, dito Pulis and Gasmi - Jan chose to sign them when they were injured - is that a good use of resources? Smith - another complete waste of money. Scheiderlin - good player but for 1.5mill he hasn't done nearly enough. Holmes - looked OK but another player we knew was injury prone. Peckhart - waste of money. Wotton - could do a job but not suited to Jans style - waste of money. We are not in a situation where we can waste any money, can you honestly tell me that bringing this lot in has been good management in our situation?

The managers/coaches wages are pretty irrelivant in the whole scheme of things. We have had the money to bring in: Forecast Cork Pearce Scheiderlin Wotton Smith Robertson Peckhart Holmes Pulis Gasmi Hiring a manager because they are cheap is NEVER cost effective. A few bad signings and you are blowing thousands a week on bench warmers. **** knows how much Forecast, Pulis, Gasmi, Peckhrt, Wotton, Holmes etc are costing us for doing naff all.

Makes sense right up until the Limited resources = JP bit. We're skint and have to use youngsters like loads of teams have to, the dutch total football thing is a completely unecessary gamble.

Ince has not proved himself at ANY level, my Nan could have got MKDons out of League 2.

This all seems so depressingly futile, Crouch has not exactly covered himself in glory in this whole episode, any changes of chairman/Cheif Exec will probably just be rearranging the deck chairs. The only way out is having the club owned outright by someone, the only way that will happen is if we go bust IMO. Admin is inevitable, we just have to hope there is something half decent afterwards.

That is not necesarily the case, if Crouch could come up with something decent then Wilde or even some of Lowe's butt boys might turn. For example if Crouch lined up David Dein and offered to pay his wages out of his own pocket if Lowe and Wilde fecked off. If something half decent is on the table it would give the fans something to boycott about - a few games of -10K attendances and Lowe would soon see the folly of hanging on. Lowe only holds a few shares, if you split him from his other backers he is pretty insignificant.

There is nothing the fans can do to effect who owns/runs the club unless someone with some clout come up with a plan. If Crouch comes up with a better alternative then maybe boycotts/protests could help force Lowe and Wilde out.

I think a decent manager could have this side comfortably mid-table, we have some good players, many of whom could walk into some other Championship sides. Poortvliet looks like he's going to get us relegated IMO.

I think we all agree that there is no real alternative to Lowe at the moment, that doesn't mean we have to agree with his crazy Dutch total football experiments.

IMO the wider fanbase is less optimistic and way more anti Lowe than this forum.

Wilde is just one of many who got lucky with the property boom, he is walking proof that being rich doesn't mean you have brains.

Selling our best players in January would not make footballing or financial sense, it would just be commiting suicide. The whle future of the club depends on staying in this division, if we need to sell players do it in the summer, not halfway through a season where you are staring relegation in the face. Surman and Lallana are not at their peak, their value will only go up, floging them for a couple of million and condeming your club to admin makes no sense at all.

This realy is a very sad state of affairs. IMO it is pointless calling for the manager to be sacked because I really can't see any decent alternative who would want to work with Lowe. If there was one I think we have probably blown what resources we have so it would probably be an impossible task to turn things around anyway. Lowe had one chance this summer to get it right, there was no margin for error and he has ****ed it good and proper. It is also pointless calling for Lowe to go as there is obviously not even a hint of a take over. Wilde has proved himself completely incapable of running the club on his own, Crouch only has 10% and whilst I think he would be better than Lowe he wont get the chance because of the politics. All we can do is sit and watch while we slide into league 1 and go bust. Our only hope is that someone turns up after admin buys the club outright and gives us some sort of future. In many ways if we were on -10 in League 1, but with a new owner who actually has a bit of cash and a plan, the future would actually be more rosy than it is now with the current lot.

What did they sing that was so bad?

Surman wouldn't have a problem making the step up at all IMO, there are plenty of worse players in the Prem at the moment. Rory Delap for one.

If you think Rudi has been playing worse than Mill's you need your head looking at. And the fact that he is being played out of position is totally the managers fault. Poortvleit decided to bring in numerous attacking players who have made next to no contribution (Smith/Gasmi/Peckhart) plus waste money on wages for a 3rd goal keeper when bringing in a decent left back could sure up the defence and allow our Chek Republic international midfielder play in midfield.

The idea that we are not getting the results we deserve is complete nonsense IMO. For every game where we probably "should" have won (Sheff Weds H) there is at least another where we "should" have got stuffed (Charlton A). We are where we deserve to be and at the moment I would say we are 50/50 for relegation. From what I have seen I would say there is enough talent in that squad to keep us up, a good manager would not get relegated with those players.

We are doing slightly better than I expected, I thought we wouldn't have a chance of staying up but our youngsters have proved we do. However we are still in it up to our necks, if we keep playing in the same open style we will not have a chance when the real relegation scrap begins. At the moment it is relatively pressure free football. If we try to ping it about like Arsenal in a relegation 6 pointer it will be disasterous IMO.

"I would give away all my shares to the right person. I don’t care about the money, all I care about is the future of this great club." We just need Lowe, Wilde and co to say the same thing and we might have a chance. Good on you Leon.

Why, I think the fairest way to price it would be to make tickets half price for Season ticket holders and members who have gone to at least 1 Championship game. Make the Manc's/plastics/glory supporters pay double. Why should real fans have to pay the same as some numpty who just wants to watch Rooney and Ronaldo? Rip em off I say, the mugs will pay it.

On the face of it it's not at all important, how the directors choose to decorate their room is totally up to them and it doesn't effect anyone else. However when you think about who's involved and the reasons behind it it pretty much sums up what a joke of a club we are. Choosing to replace a picture of our greatest manager ever holding the only thing we have ever won with a picture of a ****ing train from one of our relegation rivals is a **** take.

I think the club should charge £40 a ticket to anyone who's not on the database. All the plastic tossers and glory supporting ****s should have to pay through the nose.