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More people marched to stop the Iraq war and that was nothing to do with Jews, fact is the Israel/Palestine situation has always been a controversial issue here because we helped create it. Plus our government has pledged our support for whatever Israel does so it's bound to encourage protests from people who do not agree. When other Arabs see their people getting killed they see us as partly responsible so if effects us all. I don't have a problem with any race or religion. All religions are a bunch of fucked up fairy-tales anyway but as long as it doesn't harm me I couldn't give a monkeys what people believe. If you want to label someone as anti-semitic you are barking up the wrong tree with me. My parents brought me up to despise anti-semitism as my Nan only survived the blitz in London because of the kindness of a Jewish family. One of my first jobs was with a Jewish family run business in North London and they were fantastic people. The grandfather was actually a holocaust survivor so I have a good idea of what they have to put up with. The only problem I have is with what Israel is doing, not everyone in Israel is Jewish and what the government is doing is not even supported by everyone there so it's lazy to just cry anti-semitism.

This is getting boring now. I thought we were talking about comparing the actions of a country to the Nazis? I only mentioned it because I read a piece written by a Jew who did exactly that and he explained why. He was so ashamed by the actions of Israel that he made the comparison because he knew how Israelis thought about the holocaust and that the comparison would make them understand how the innocent Palestinians would be feeling. Or maybe he just hates all Jews?

Of course they can. What’s that got to do with it?

What if the person saying it was Jewish?

Whilst Israel claim there is no humanitarian catastrophe unfolding.

I'm not pretending it's simple but the bottom line is if you steal peoples land and force them to live in a world of shit some of them will want to kill you. Whatever the history and complexities that was the situation prior to 7/10, it was simply not sustainable.

Bless you for not understanding but I was talking about Palestinian people not Hamas. Unless the reason WHY groups like Hamas get so much support is deal with there will always be a security threat to Israel and another 7/10. I did answer your question, the best start Israel can make to keeping their people safe is to stop stealing land and building illegal settlements whilst making Palestinians live in a world of shit under the blockade. If they have no hope of a decent life some are bound to want to take up arms and join groups like Hamas.

I wouldn’t keep stealing more Palestinian land and building more illegal settlements for a start. Israel obviously have no interest in a two state solution as long as they keep doing that. I get the reasons for the blockade but as long as the Palestinians have no hope they will bound to turn to extremism.

I never said that about ISIS, you are just making shit up.

I think their blatant disregard for the value of innocent Palestinian lives will make them less safe.

It’s not the reason it started but I still think the severity and nature of the response has plenty to do with the political situation Netanyahu has found himself in. A main responsibility of any government is to keep its people safe and Israel were caught with their pants down big time. An expert on the Middle East was saying that exact thing the other day on radio 5. The IDF need to be seen to be getting revenge whatever their long-term strategy. If you don’t know what they are protesting about by now there really is no help for you.

Maybe you should write a letter to the organisers to let them know.

I don’t think it’s about taking sides, more letting the government know what they think.

Think they just want to stop innocent people getting killed.

Publicity for the march not the war you bellend. People doing these things obviously want as many people to see and hear them as possible.

Probably to get more publicity. Edit: they have done it every Saturday since the war started.

This.

Just don’t see the problem in a march calling for a ceasefire, on a day that commemorates a ceasefire.

How is a march calling for a ceasefire in Gaza not a march for peace?

Surely it’s quite appropriate, they are marching to stop a war and save lives.

Seriously, who cares?

According to the below Israel actually help set up Hamas, backs up what I heard on the radio yesterday - Israeli supported them to undermine the PLO's attempt at a two state solution: https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/

Of course you havn't, that's my point. Israeli's havn't been forced to live in an effective open prison for the last 15 years and had everything that comes in or out controlled by the people that stole their land. Whatever the reasons that led to that situation (I get the purpose of the blockade), it is a situation that is going to create hatred and spawn extremism. It was never going to be sustainable.

Maybe they would in that situation?

Maybe they could force the Israelis into a 365 sq km strip of land and control what goes in or out to make sure there is no bother?