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True, but we all know how our system works. The majority vote blue or red like a bunch of zombies regardless of who’s on the poll card or how well they have done. Unless Starmer shits the bed Truss style it would probably end up with a Lib-Lab coalition at worst, with Reform just splitting the Tory vote. Reform need to merge with the Tories to stand any chance of power.

Totally agree. We are all perfectly entitled to have an opinion on religion though.

I'm not judging Morsy, just criticising religion. Do you not think there are elements of Islam and Christianity that are homophobic?

No, as usual you are wrong. I said Islam CAN be backward (like many religions). Morsy has not even explained his views so I can't possibly judge him. I just think it's a good cause, if he chose not to wear one because he didn't like the colour clash with his kit I would still think it is unfortunate that he chose to undermine a good cause.

I respect anyone's right not to wear a symbol, just like I respect that Irish fella's right not to wear the poppy - I don't have to agree with their views though.

I don't believe in hell, that's another invention from a fairytale written centuries ago. Recent research has found that one in four LGBTQ+ people do not feel welcome at live sports events - that's unfortunate.

I said can be, try reading. Christianity and other religions can be as well. It's inevitable as they are generally based on texts written centuries ago.

Can be backward, can be. People will always have opinions on other’s beliefs, that’s just life.

Because what rainbow laces is promoting “everyone is welcome at football” is obviously a good message. Of course everyone has a right to stand up for what they believe in, that’s why it’s right that players can choose not to wear poppys or rainbows should they wish.

It expect it doesn’t matter if it’s on his kit or not, you can’t have religious or political messages on display. Im not a fan of religion at all, Islam can be particularly backward with its attitudes but so can Christianity.

I just think it’s a shame (as in unfortunate) that some religions are homophobic, no hypocrisy at all, just my opinion.

The massage was clear but so are the rules around writing statements on your kit. I expect the Man U players were just backing their teammate. As I said, it’s disappointing but it’s a free country. At least it’s highlighting the issues Islam has with homosexuality.

Re: Guehi, writing anything religious or political on your kit is against the rules - it’s as simple as that. It’s a shame Morsy refused to wear one but it’s a free country. Some religions are homophobic, some more than others. Muslim players are making a choice based on their religion, that’s different to writing something on their kit.

Guehi was warned for having a religious statement on display, the rules on that are pretty clear. The poppy example is entirely appropriate because, just like the rainbow laces its for a good cause yet nobody cries about the pressure put on players to conform with that even though not all players want to wear it.

Same principle though, both making a small gesture for a good cause by putting a symbol on a shirt, wether it's for promoting equality and diversity or remembering those killed at war makes little difference IMO.

Like those who choose not to wear a poppy?

True. It’s a suicidal style of play anyway but when you have your 4th choice keeper in it’s just lunacy.

Would have bit your hand off for 1-5 at half time, get in!

Apart from handing the opposition two goals on a plate Lumley has done OK.

What a fucking idiot.

Yet Ukraine is desperate to join NATO, and NATO is saying no, not anytime soon. Great carrot.

I disagree, I think promoting equality and diversity in football can only be a good thing, and wearing an armband for one game is a small, completely harmless gesture.

If that team tries to pat it about at the back like City it’s going to be embarrassing.

I don't think that's the case. IMO it's just a phase we're going through. Society is always progressing, there are people here now who were around when being gay was illegal, I remember homophobic attitudes being the norm when I was growing up. Once the culture of football catches up this sort of signalling thing will just die out.

Obviously. Sam Morsy chooses not to wear the armband but he its not down to his own individual choice.