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I don’t think it’s about taking sides, more letting the government know what they think.

Think they just want to stop innocent people getting killed.

Publicity for the march not the war you bellend. People doing these things obviously want as many people to see and hear them as possible.

Probably to get more publicity. Edit: they have done it every Saturday since the war started.

This.

Just don’t see the problem in a march calling for a ceasefire, on a day that commemorates a ceasefire.

How is a march calling for a ceasefire in Gaza not a march for peace?

Surely it’s quite appropriate, they are marching to stop a war and save lives.

Seriously, who cares?

According to the below Israel actually help set up Hamas, backs up what I heard on the radio yesterday - Israeli supported them to undermine the PLO's attempt at a two state solution: https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/

Of course you havn't, that's my point. Israeli's havn't been forced to live in an effective open prison for the last 15 years and had everything that comes in or out controlled by the people that stole their land. Whatever the reasons that led to that situation (I get the purpose of the blockade), it is a situation that is going to create hatred and spawn extremism. It was never going to be sustainable.

Maybe they would in that situation?

Maybe they could force the Israelis into a 365 sq km strip of land and control what goes in or out to make sure there is no bother?

Because they have had their land stolen and have been fucked over by Israel for years.

Yep, and in a few years time we will be back where we are today but worse. Great plan.

Because it's happened time and time again, just not on this scale. Israel will flatten Gaza, blow up some tunnels and kill some Hamas fighters but they won't destroy Hamas, I expect most have already put down their guns and travelled south with everyone else. The more civilians Israel kill, the more buildings they blow up - the more the Palestinians and the surrounding Arab countries want Israel wiped off the map - so the hatred and cause gets stronger.

The problem for Starmer is the moment he says he wants a cease-fire (which I'm sure he does), the Tories, the gutter press and the Israeli lobby all scream anti-semitism.

Hard to argue with any of what he says there.

To be fair, compared to you pretty much everyone is an expert on most subjects.

Who is telling you to think what?

What are you dribbling on about? People like MLT get slammed because they talk bollocks. They believe bizarre conspiracy theories based on little on no evidence just to be 'different', they are the opposite to having an open mind.

No one with half a brain does that anyway.

Of course there is, there is clearly a link to both.

Not just the book, according to one of the 7/7 bombers: "I and thousands like me are forsaking everything for what we believe. Our drive and motivation doesn't come from tangible commodities that this world has to offer. Our religion is Islam, obedience to the one true God and following the footsteps of the final prophet messenger. Your democratically-elected governments continuously perpetuate atrocities against my people all over the world. And your support of them makes you directly responsible, just as I am directly responsible for protecting and avenging my Muslim brothers and sisters. Until we feel security you will be our targets and until you stop the bombing, gassing, imprisonment and torture of my people, we will not stop this fight. We are at war and I am a soldier. Now you too will taste the reality of this situation." You must have rocks in your head if you don't think there is a link.

Exactly. The ideology of some has all westerners as legitimate targets to be slayed, the last thing we need is anything to trigger these nutters off.