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Surely the more important question has to be over the judicial system that saw so many people wrongly convicted? Computer systems will always have bugs, big companies will always try to cover stuff up to protect their brand. How come so many judges believed that a computer system was infallible over people with previous good character without knowledge of IT systems or evidence from independent expert witnesses? Prosecution: “The computer shows this person stole money”. Defence: “the computer system is fucked”. I get how this can happen a few times but 900 times with the same system, mental. Surely the judge on case number 899 might have thought something a bit fishy was going on?

This. It’s a disgrace the government haven’t sorted it out already.

Beginning to really like this Martin fella.

Money I guess.

Would be a great signing, can't see it happening though.

Definitely more Russia than UK/USA from what I can see.

The Wembley thing was just symbolic, the UK government has supported Israel's reaction through all of this. Israel had killed plenty of civilians and showed their intent way before the England game on the 13th, they are not doing anything seriously different now to what they were doing then.

Apart from the UK government and those calling for Wembley to be lit up in Israel's colours while they murder innocent civilians of course.

Of course they knew how Israel would respond, we all did. That doesn't mean it is a good idea to support/encourage it.

I think the naive ones are those who believed Israel was acting purely in self defence and trying to minimise civilian casualties. Still think it's a good idea to light Wembley up in Israel's colours?

It's clearly never just been an operation to just take out Hamas from day one, they are just handing out brutal collective punishment which fits with how they have acted in the past. I see Cameron is now calling for a ceasefire, does that mean he will be joining the next 'Hate March'?

But surely any right minded person would want Hamas fighters killed, not innocent relatives.

Yeah, more innocent people dead, that’s just what we need. Genius.

Sounds like a right laugh round your gaff.

I don't know if he's in favour of positive discrimination or not. He made the speech at an organisation that helps people from all sorts of backgrounds into a journalism career with bursaries - and that includes white people (who he apparently hates according to our resident simpletons).

Whatever you call it my point was that he made the comments because he is against discrimination not because he hates all white people.

From the show I listened to I got the impression he was fed up with being surrounded by Ruperts who got their opportunity by daddy funding their internship, or because they went to the right school or daddy knew someone on the board. Basically a lack of diversity in class and race. The bloke is a right soppy sod who constantly speaks out against all forms of discrimination, you need to be thick as shit to think he just hates all white people (see above).

He said pretty much those exact words on one of his radio 5 shows and discussed it with a guest. I remember thinking that you gammons wouldn’t like what he said about being surrounded by mainly white people. If you want to think he hates all white people fine, after listening to him I thought it was pretty obvious it is the system he hates though. You shouldn’t be such a snowflake.

I’m just basing my opinion on what I have heard him say, I couldn’t give a monkeys what race he is. He discusses issues around race on his show quite a lot and from I have heard him say he is very much the opposite of racist. The show where he discussed the people at his work was no different. He wasn’t talking about the whole BBC but just where he worked and his issue was as much about class as race. People getting opportunities based on their contacts and background, rich kids getting internships (who were mainly white) - which is why he commented on being surrounded by white people. He doesn’t hate white people, just the reasons he felt there is a lack of diversity. Wether that is true or not who knows, but that’s his reasons for saying it and given the nature of his previous shows I have no reason to doubt he is being genuine.

NA is not racist, he just thinks there is a discrimination problem in his profession. He has discussed it to great lengths on his show. Anyone who listens to his show regularly would know he is clearly not a racist. A bit of a soppy twat at times tho.

Maybe it's a test to see how obsessed you sad fuckers are with him?

I didn’t need it, just thought it was an interesting perspective from someone who clearly knows more about the situation than you or I. Is that OK with you?

Think it gives an insight into what Israel is doing to Gaza now.

Short term pain for long term gain. The switch to renewables is inevitable, if we become world leaders in the technology our economy will benefit as well as our environment. Digging stuff up and burning it for energy is just not sustainable, when you read about the possible effects of runaway global warming it would be negligent of us not to act for the sake of future generations.

They are not doing enough but it’s still not correct to say are doing nothing about their emissions, their emissions would be higher if they were not investing in renewables. Our attempt at combating climate change is going pathetically badly, you get the feeling millions are going to have to die before any meaningful action is taken. Still think it’s right that developed countries lead the way because change has to happen at some point.