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To be fair, the guys who gave your statue protector pals a thorough kicking outside Waterloo didn't look like 'White Millennials'.

Nothing really surprising there, we all know that Covid effects people with underlying conditions more and in many cases it is just finishing people off early. I thought it has always been made pretty clear when the death stats are "deaths who tested positive for Covid". Anyway, I think the most dangerous thing about this virus is what we don't know, not what we do so governments are wise to be cautious.

I would have Said that was onside, looked in line to me.

It would be interesting to know what science has suddenly changed on this, if it has at all. The government seem to pick and choose what science suits them sometimes. The way some Tories have pissed their pants over making them compulsory makes you wonder if they have been ignoring the science rather than be guided by it. You just have to look at the death rates in places like Japan and South Korea to know that they are a good idea.

I couldn't care less about Man City, makes no difference if the money comes from oil or flogging cheap shirts in Asia. As long are clubs are protected from being saddled with too much debt I don't see the problem. Plus, I can't stand Leicester so it will be piss funny if they miss out on CL.

So the clowns in charge are finally realising that wearing face coverings is a good idea. Months behind everyone else as usual.

That would make sense if removing a statue and forcing to close a perfectly good business were even remotely the same thing. You're talking shite as usual.

Of course not, the idea of closing down companies and institutions linked to the slave trade is absurd. That doesn’t mean you have to celebrate the lives of slave traders with statues all over the place.

I know it will probably be hard for you to understand but you can agree with a cause but not agree with much of the irrelevant, pointless stuff that surrounds it. For what it's worth, whilst I thought anyone going on a march during a pandemic was a selfish idiot, watching the slave trader being dumped in Bristol harbour was fantastic.

Had Skysports not produced that ad would anyone have really noticed, let alone give a sh!t? Have every other TV channel produced a BLM ad?

Sorry, I must have missed all the vitriol aimed at the F1 drivers, was there actually any or are you just making it up? I guess some idiots on twitter might have said something but Even Hamilton said he respected their decision. I haven't seen any vitriol in the media.

Wow. You should get help for your paranoia.

No, I don't think any company should be shut down purely because it has historical links to slavery. I would imagine there are quite a few in the UK. Dumb suggestions like that and ridiculous ideas like pulling down Churchill's statue or changing the monkey on Coco Pops are just irrelevant distractions from what is a genuine, serious issue.

Yeah, crazy lefties like SkyTV, The Premier League, Formula 1 and the ECB.

Well they’ve done it now so even the dumbest among us now know they don’t want to defund the police. Yet you are still desperate to make it an issue, can’t think why.

I think clarifying statements cut it for most people, I can see why racists want to make it a political issue though, classic way of trying to discredit a good cause.

It’s a bullshit analogy. Coca Cola is a brand of drink, Black lives matter is an anti-racism slogan and also a name for a bunch of anti-racist groups.

Do you get confused in the fizzy drinks aisle at Tescos as well then?

Tesco sell coca-cola and they are not them.

Well at least it’s clear to everyone now so you don’t have to worry about the police being defunded or whatever it was.

I've never supported attacks on the police, I also said no one should go on protests during a pandemic. You appear to be easily confused. I would recommend you read the ECB and Premier Leagues statements then you might understand a bit more about what they are standing for, it's nothing political.

I have never supported any of the political groups involved, just the message and the need to promote equality.

no need to piss your union jack pants: Tom Harrison, ECB Chief Executive Officer, said: “The England and Wales Cricket Board fully support the message that Black Lives Matter. It has become a message of solidarity and a drive for progress and societal change. There can be no place for racism in society or our sport, and we must do more to tackle it. “Our support of that message is not an endorsement, tacit or otherwise, of any political organisation, nor the backing of any group that calls for violence or condones illegal activity. “We are aware of certain aspects of the movement that promote their own political views, and their actions are not supported in any way by the ECB and our players. “This moment is about unity. We are proud that our players will stand alongside those from the West Indies and wear a logo that embodies that philosophy. It is fitting that they do so in solidarity with athletes from the football world who wore it first. Our thanks go to Troy Deeney and his partner Alisha Hosannah, creator of the logo, who generously agreed to share it with us.

The point of an early lockdown is that you reduce the spread when it is spreading exponentially, the curve doesn't get as high meaning you can come out of lockdown earlier - less deaths and less damage to the economy. It's the exponential factor that is vital, infections shoot up quickly, getting them down takes longer and is expensive. Not sure what your point about Melbourne is - we will have spikes after lockdown just like them, having more deaths at the start won't stop that. Talking about herd immunity at the stage they did was clearly wrong, that's why they shut up about it pretty quick. In the long term it will probably happen but having it as a policy at that stage of a pandemic was nuts, our health system couldn't cope with just letting it spread without checks before we even have a treatment.

I think if we had locked down earlier and harder many lives could have been saved. If you look at the effect lockdown had on the curve, move that point forward a couple of weeks and the total deaths would be much less. If you remember at the start much of Europe thought we were mad for not locking down sooner, the PM quoted behavioural science as a reason for not locking down (or doing it at the right time, saying the public wouldn't stick to it), I think he got that wrong. The herd immunity thing they were going on about at the start was clearly wrong as well. Wether it was their scientific advice that was wrong or the government remains to be seen, I guess we will find out after the inevitable inquiry.