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And who definitely say nothing when the Poppy is involved. Funny that.

Loads of players have stopped doing it - guess what, no one cares.

No one is asking to take part in it you bell-end.

You seriously think that would work? Wow

My whole point was that variants are a legitimate concern and not some made up scare story, and you prove my point by posting a quote about how the government are investing in 50 million new vaccines to combat future variants. You really should stay away from anything science related, maybe stick to threads about floor sweeping.

That is just complete bollocks, there have been loads of variants but only a few have been labelled as of concern. According to Sky News: In lab tests, the South African variant (B.1.351) and Brazil variant (P.1) both have a key mutation, E484K, which can help the virus evade antibodies produced by vaccines or by having had COVID-19. It is also more transmissible. that is why certain mutations are of concern and why they are testing the Indian variant now. You clearly struggle with anything science related, labelling something as concern and doing tests is not crying wolf.

Where is the quote of them saying the vaccines don’t work?

Have SAGE ever said the vaccines will not work? From what I have read they are waiting for more information - that’s exactly what studies like this are for.

Great news, can’t see lockdown being extended if that’s the case.

I don't disagree. I guess at this moment in time, where most people are not fully vaccinated, the new variants might pose a risk of another wave. Right from the start it has always been a case of balancing the risk of the virus with the risk of the effects of lockdown. I'm not a Boris Johnson fan but even I can see that he wouldn't want to impose restrictions he didn't think were necessary. No one wants lockdowns, they don't benefit anyone except Netflix and Amazon. This article explains the situation quite well: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/previous-waves-have-relatively-small-modellers-worried-indian/ "So why worry about the speed the variant travels when an estimated 69 per cent of the population now have Covid antibodies, rising to over 90 per cent among the most vulnerable? What damage could it possibly do given those levels of population immunity? It is this question that vexes almost everyone but the answer comes down to simple, if counterintuitive, maths. Professor Adam Kucharski, one of the Sage modellers from the London School of Hygiene and Tropical medicine, explains it like this: “The issue is that many people have a mental image that we’ve [already] had the biggest possible epidemic waves, whereas we’ve actually had ones that are relatively small compared to what could have happened without control measures in place. “Because of these controls, only a fraction of the people who could have got infected in the past year or so have been infected, so they’re still out there. “Of course, for many of these people vaccines have now decreased their risk substantially. But a very large number of infections that come with a very small individual level of risk can produce a similar outcome to a smaller epidemic that carries a larger individual level of risk”.

It's all about the numbers though isn't it. At the moment only 29% odd are fully vaccinated which means about 71% are either unvaccinated or partially vaccinated. So while much more people are protected, opening up to normal will massively increase the amount of person to person contact so the risk of spreading goes up a lot. If this variant is more transmissible it goes up even further, and if the vaccines are less effective against it then the number of vulnerable people potentially exposed also goes up. I expect the concern is because they are not sure of the last part, or it's just a ploy to scare more people into being vaccinated.

The UK scientists are world leaders in this field, I think most people would agree that if the experts in viruses have fears over a new variant the government should listen. What they should not do is listen to graduates from the university of life who have a 2.2 in floor sweeping.

The Bednarek sending off against Man U for me. When viewed from the angle behind the goal it was obviously not a foul let alone a sending off. When VAR called the ref over I assumed it would obviously be overturned, then amazingly the ref just stood there and stared for at a freeze frame from the wrong angle for a minute and gave the wrong decision.

SAGE of course.

Which they are fully aware of.

Or they are rightly being cautious because, unlike you, they understand the potential risks new variants pose.

I'm not qualified to say, I expect you are not either, and I'm fucking positive Turkish isn't. They do seem to be over-cautious but I expect there is good reason. It looks to me like it's a race against time, vaccines v variants. The more it spreads/mutates the less time we have to develop updated vaccines for next winter. No one wants lockdowns and the SAGE people are well aware of the negative impact of lock-downs.

Obviously winter made it worse, I never said it didn't. The UK variant is causing problems all round the World - it can't be winter everywhere.

Dunno, there are loads of variants. Why don't you go back on the Daily Mail site and see what they are pissing their pants over today?

What, the one in the second wave that killed more people than the first despite all the new treatments and our better understanding of the virus?

There does seem to be some evidence that antibodies are less effective against the India strain: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01274-7 Think the caution is more to do with what we don't know than what we do, it takes time to do enough tests to be sure. Looks to me like the more it spreads, the more it mutates and there is probably a real risk of a mutation that could render the vaccines ineffective and put us back to square one.

Amazingly, people in different areas find different things appealing.

I expect Brexit would have happened much sooner if there was PR, why do you think Farage is in favour of it. The frog-faced cunt would have been a much greater threat to the Tories if he was winning swathes of seats in parliament every four years. I expect plenty of Tory voters would have voted UKIP if they didn't think their vote would let Labour or Lib Dem win their seat. The whole red v blue bollocks makes change slower not quicker.

You don't produce it because you know any 'evidence' you come up with will just be laughed at. Go on, give it a go. I'm genuinely interested in what has convinced you that it's a big conspiracy and why governments around the world want to close down businesses and pay people to do nothing.

Shouldn't this be on the Brexit thread?