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He’s got a point though, we always fuck it up. You go back to 1990 and Stuart Pearce wellying his penalty straight at the keeper, then there’s Beckham losing his shit and getting sent off, Rooney stamping on someone’s bollocks, there’s countless penalty fuck ups which is due to lack of technical ability/mindset. We have not even reached a World Cup final in my life-time and in our entire history won nothing without home advantage. Tuchel should take some blame for his subs but the England players just shat the bed and stopped playing as soon as they took the lead.

Agree with all this. Tuchel has to take his share of the blame but in my opinion the main reason we lost was because the players just bottled it.

I agree. A top side could have gone 5 at the back and still kept Messi quiet. The players went a goal up and just shat the bed.

We went too passive before he made the subs. I didn't agree with taking Gordon off for a defender, I would have stuck Saka on and tried to hit them on the break but fact is, a top side would have seen the game out.

I don't agree with his subs but a top team would have seen the game out.

Classic English response, blame the manager. If it's not the manager it's because the Premier League play too many games, or we are not teaching the kids right etc etc. There always has to be an excuse, it can't possibly be that we are just not good enough at football.

Depends what you rate as good.

Good teams don’t do that.

Just not as good as Argentina or the other top sides - Norway is the only decent side we have beat. Face it, the record doesn’t lie, England are just not a top footballing nation.

England are just not very good at football, whoever is manager is not going to change that.

Just showed lack of belief, a good side would have kept it the same and looked to nick a second.

Classic England, went one nil up then shit their pants.

It's all in your head. Everyone has their own set of morals and values and each individual obviously think theirs is right. Pigeonholing people into 'left' and 'right' is just bullshit nowadays anyway, you can be socially conservative but be economically liberal or vice-versa, everyone is different.

You just assume we consider themselves morally superior because you know deep down you're a cunt.

Hope I'm wrong but I've got a horrible feeling it's going to go to penalties which probably won't end well because Argentina have a keeper with regular length arms. Either that or we play well but get fucked by the ref.

Yep. I think we all know what his thread would have been like if the perpetrator had brown skin, been an immigrant or was a muslim.

Of course it's subjective, it all depends what triggers the lunatic.

I couldn't understand how anyone could do that sort of thing regardless of political views. But it's just a fact that extreme views can give rise to hate and with some nutters it ends up turning violent.

Of course it is not right to attack someone because of their political views, that is obvious. John B is right in that extreme views can give rise to hate though, that works on both sides. The problem is nowadays everything seems more polarised - probably because of social media.

What the hell has it got to do with being woke? There is nothing woke about beating someone to death with a stick because they have different views to you.

Shouldn't we be demanding to know all the facts about the suspect so we know whether to riot or not?

I think VAR got both decisions correct. The only issue I have with VAR in this tournament is the lack of consistency on when it decides to intervene and when it doesn't. At the start it was used sparingly which worked well then Argentina concede an important goal and all of a sudden that goes out of the window. Overall though I think it has been used better than in the Prem, I like the way it overturns the wrong calls for corners - they are the sort of calls where the big clubs usually get the benefit of the doubt and can lead to a goal - hopefully they will bring that in over here.

“Birds” 😂

True, but Wokegate is still the second best manager in our history. History shows that England are just not very good at football compared to the major footballing powers. If we beat Norway chances we will probably get turned over by Argentina in the Semi or France in the final, then you will get the usual nobs making excuses or blaming the manager for making the wrong subs or something. It can’t possibly be that we are just not very good.

I’m sorry but that’s nonsense, Southgate is England’s second most successful manager ever, we’ve had managers before who couldn’t even qualify for a World Cup. England have never won a thing without home advantage - our record shows that we are not one of the better footballing nations. Last night was the most I’ve enjoyed watching England at a World Cup since Italia 90, getting a result in those conditions was a fantastic achievement but Mexico are not a top side. Let’s see how they get on against Norway and then Argentina before hailing Tuchel as a genius.