Shroppie

No it isn't. But it would be good if it were.

HP, Bechemal or Worcestershire?

Simple announcement at 4.45.. Press conference called for tomorrow. And I know nothing.

And can I ask why?

100% agree

We can hope for a deal if SLH can get a CVA, albeit briefly before they are wound up, or if SFC is put into technical admin for a few hours so they can exit with a CVA. But I agree that I'm sure FL will insist on one, no matter how illogical it is.

I suspect it vanished round about the same time as MF's lawyers were (allegedly, according to something I read) speaking with the Echo.

1. He's run away. 2. In a week, we'll be asking Tony Who? 3. Unless he wins the lottery, A.

SFC is an asset of SLH. Surman is an asset of SFC, so he's just seeling one small part of am asset.

OK. Perhaps offended is the wrong word. But is the sad demise of a pop star Saints related? Or joking about it anywhere, let alone on the main board, in good taste. And no, I don't have tickets, didn't like his music and found him a thoroughly distasteful and loathsome human being. But I'm not going to debate that here.

That's not the same as an announcement, or is it as well as?

My guess (head ruling)- Pinnacle have reluctantly withdrawn because of the FL's refusal to reconsider their position. My guess (heart ruling)- Pinnacle have reluctantly accepted the FL position but have guarantees of only -10 and the real money man with hundreds of millions is ....

Am I the only one offended? Can't see any place for this. Mods?

No. Agree with you, Beer. I think the money, if it was ever there, vanished and this was all stalling to try to find alternative finance.

Let the fire sale commence

If there is a big money man, it isn't Fialka. My guess is he was put up as a blind to stall. But there is something very wrong about the Pinnacle bid now.

Excuse my non-legal brain, but am I right (1) that if SFC were to go into administration today and immediately come out under new ownership, it waould get a CVA, but (2) SLH is a problem because it's being wound up? And does that mean CVA is impossible for SLH or just that it doesn't meet the requirements? This seems very likely to me to be the central cause of the holdup, and without being unduly pessimistic, all too likely to be a dealbreaker.

It may have been put forward before, but I totally agree on both counts. If Pinnacle think they can fight the -10 ...... ????? Seriously doubt it.

That's an ingenious plan and not that ludicrous. it ticks a lot of boxes: Settles the agrument about admin cos SFC would have been in admin. No need to argue the toss over SLH any more (any why wnyway, it wouldn't wash) and we've done things the FL way (or the way they understand). No threat of any legal action. Gives us a way of getting CVA which was tricky if SFC hadn't ben in admin. Likely FL would have docked us another 3 million poimts because we've annoyed them. Although SFC would be going into admin, presumably everything could be put in place for them to come straight out with CVA. FL heave a sigh of relief, legitimately take off 10 points but no more and get us out of their hair. Pure genius.

What this means is starting the season certain of your position - ie knowing how many points you haven't got and not having the possibility that an appeal could change league position later. This is their excuse for no appeal.

:):):)

But isn't there a very thinly veiled threat about "which competition we will be playing in" - ie agree or you're not in our league (or at least League1)???

On Sky Sports News. Agreed. No.

Absolutely. That was one approach that was never going to help.

Agreed. I will attempt to chill.