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Sorry, thanks for clearing that up. I see what you mean now and I quite agree, as once again, there will be an assumption that all Muslims have the same ethos as the likes of this little tin pot group. Maybe people are right when they say that they should be allowed their march and then it'll be forgot about. I can fully understand people turning up to abuse those that do carry these symbolic coffins, after all, even peace loving people can't control their emotions at times. They should not be allowed to march through Wootton Bassett though, that's just sickness.

Therefore they are 'Muslim' - I am fully aware of the difference and they don't happen to be Muslim, they choose/chose to be Muslim, they are human beings, not objects. Just as when I was old enough to think for myself , I chose to be non-religious, despite a strong Catholic upbringing. If I was behind this march would that make me and my type an extreme form of non-religious/atheist/humanists who just happen to be non-religious/atheist/humansists? Extreme group or not, they are Muslim, just as if they were an extreme mad as a box of Badgers 'Christian' group from the deep south of America. I fail to see your point apart from wanting to split hairs or be patronising.

I knew it wouldn't be long before someone would look to shift the blame for any potential trouble away from the Muslims, who are are actually looking for trouble with this sick publicity stunt[in my opinion]. So, if the EDL organise a march and some Muslim groups come along to protest against it and trouble does occur, it's the EDL's fault. Then when another equally sickening group, who just happen to be Muslim, organise a march and other groups turn up, then it's the "EDL or others will most likely turn up to wreck the whole thing"? Can't Muslims actually be to blame for anything? Why do you wrongly assume that it's the "others" who will turn up looking for trouble? Can't the "others" be peaceful people who are just looking to let it be known that they are appalled at the gall of these people and want to vent their feelings? FWIW, I

Hill Street Blues Bar - Anything goes in there. Just be careful you can distinguish feminine things with big veiny hands from real femininity though. If you can't, keep off the space cakes. Have a happy New Year anyway Crabby.

Maybe he has bipolar and we should remember that this accounts for his vile racist views and why he lamped seven bells out of a number of people - if he does have bi-polar, then he should not have been convicted of any offence as he wouldn't have known what he was doing. I also think that we should change the law for criminals with mental health issues and the victims of their crimes should pay them compensation. Seriously, i'm not convinced he will change Minty, I think that he can cover his tracks to a point but if you push him hard enough, or keep scratching beneath the surface then he will simply revert to type. I don't actually hate him, I do believe that he's being genuine in what he says and believes that all that's true - as i'm sure we all do. It's just that I can't help feeling that he's a bit like Gazza, in that he has a fragile mental state and if he was provoked again, either on or off the field, then he won't be able to control his emotions. I totally agree with his sentiments and hope he can practice what he is now preaching as he is a talented footballer and someone who was once bad, who has now turned good would make a good role model for the kids who lived and breathed in the same rough streets as he once did, showing that people can change, even at such a late age.

So, if "on the face of it" he was capable of making decisions for himself, then why are we debating the mental health issue so much? If, "on the face of it", he was deemed fine to live an independent life, then why should the Chinese government bend over backwards to accommodate the failings of: A) The British mental health system, which has obviously failed as his condition must have come under the radar and he was assessed as being capable of understanding the consequences of his actions and the effect they have on himself and others, or; B) The family of Mr Shaikh, who seem to have left him to his own devices, despite knowing of his condition and not monitoring or contacting him on a regular basis. I understand how frustrating bi-polar can be, I have staff members who have the condition, at times, they are fantastic, other times, I have had to refer them to occupational health as I have capability issues arising from those that they are supposed to be safeguarding. Once again, it comes back to how we categorise those with mental health issues and what the best way of dealing with those conditions are. One one hand, some seem to say that it's just a mental health issue, such as schizophrenic, of which can be treated with medication[to a degree] and these people should be allowed to live an independent life as practically posssible, which I am inclined to agree with. The concern for me is that we can't then say 'but they have a mental health condition' when they do harm to themselves, or others and should not be governed by the same set of laws as those who are fortunate enough to escaped mental illness - bear in mind that "sickness is in us all" as one Psychiatrist recently told me:) So, we either have to accept that once those supposedly responsible for assessing people with special needs/mental illness consider a person fit to look after themselves, without constant supervision, then they are capable and have control and understanding of their actions and they should face trial if they break the law. If they don't, then why are they free to compromise themselves - maybe those responsible for releasing patients as low risk should then be held to blame? If they aren't capable then that leads me back to a question I asked earlier about how as modern caring society, we deal with people with a mental illness. How do we balance the rights and dignity of those with a mental illness against the general public who could be potentially exposed to danger? For me, he was classed as being mentally fit, if he wasn't, then maybe Britain should take a look at itself and bear some of the blame for what has happened, instead of not having any monitoring in place of people who are mentally ill. It's one thing saying that mentally ill people should have their independence and another to then try and say they didn't know right from wrong when they break the laws in any country, even more so when it's a communist country which is very blunt and clear about how they deal with law and order.

I don't think you have understanding of poverty and how it effects the really poor and uneducated. I doubt you have ever seen or been to a really poor area, like some in China. I bet you think that it's an optional thing or a lifestyle choice. It may be for some sections of society and as you rightly say, you have that freedom to choose -if you are fortunate enough to be educated and have the ability to make that decision for yourself or not have it introduced to you at a young age from a addicted close family member. Heroin is a vicious drug and unless there is a really serious deterrent, for the filth that bring it into the lives of those that are usually already less fortunate, then we might as well have an open door policy.

Maybe you should ask that same question of 'cheapness' to the thousands of families that have lost their loved ones to hard drugs in recent years in China. I take it most of them had a high value for the life of their son or daughter, or their sons and daughters did themselves, until drugs became part of their lives - but I guess it's only a bit of Heroin after all. What would your solution be to those that are caught trafficking Heroin? A bit of cognitive behaviour therapy? In my view, if you choose to traffic drugs then you are indirectly assisting in killing people, if you know what I am getting at, or at very least, slowly ruining their lives. Sure, you might not pull the trigger, they ultimately do that themselves, but you are giving them a loaded gun. As for the general Bi-Polar issue, well that raises even more issues about what we do with mentally ill people in this country. How do we assess the risk that someone who has a mental illness, won't go out into the community and harm someone, or themselves? Are we now saying that a criminal with a mental illness should be treated with kid gloves, as opposed to someone who who hasn't been diagnosed with a mental health issue?

Hit - New DVD player Miss - The cables to connect it to the TV weren't provided. Hence had to pop into town this morning to buy a scart cable and some of those red,white and yellow cables.

It seems to me you are looking for an disagreement, a splitting hairs type of disagreement. I wished reality was as black and white as you seem to see it.

Too right. I suppose it is par course for here. Mind you, the woman involved would have beaten the living daylights out of most blokes. She had big fat arms covered in Indian ink tattoos, they looked like they had been scrawled on her arm with a rusty old screwdriver. I would not have called her bluff anyway!

It's like some people become Zombies once they get inside a supermarket at this time of year and everyone else becomes invisible. There was a stand off in a Sainsburys yesterday because some bloke argued that another had whacked his trolley into his, then as they carried on, a woman offered a bloke out because she thought that he was deliberately not letting her through a crowded aisle. Serious ****, eh!

I like that I don't have to go to work for a fortnight, can do some work on the house, get ****ed a lot more.....loads really. I agree, it's a lot of falseness and people who wouldn't normally bother with you suddenly want to wish you a merry christmas and all that. I'm pretty sure it would have been New Years day yesterday, or maybe today, if we were really being traditionalists anyway.

A bad day at the office TopGun. I generally find there will be one rogue result that will ruin the coupon, yesterday was a terrible one. I bet Spurs and Newcastle ruined a few coupons up and down the country. I knew Burnley and Stoke were dodgy but the rest I thought were bankers. I tend to go for better odds and less matches. A friend of mine wins quite regular, he prefers the really poor odds and more matches approach, so will go for seven or eight games with odds of 1/6 on and so forth. He wins less but it's better than nothing I guess.

Treat life's little problems like your dog would ... If you can't eat or **** it, **** on it and walk away!!!

I've kept away from Sunderland, Kipman, got a feeling they may slip up today. I've had: Burnley, Stoke, Spurs, Newcastle and Saints - Pays £372 for a £20 stake.

Fantastic news Andrew. I hope that the minor issue with the box will be resolved and thanks for letting us know. Best Wishes.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8376286.stm

Thanks Neil. That's were my interest came from. I saw the campaign and heard the single and just had to find out more. Can't believe I had never heard of them before the current campaign. Thanks.

Can anyone advise on what albums are the best to get to listen to 'Rage against the Machine' for a newbie. Do they have a greatest hits?

I thought we were outstanding at times, yet once they got back to 3-1, I still was riddled with anxiety - maybe that says more about me than the team but I think we still looked a little shaky when they put the aerial ball into the box. Bart did well when he needed to, still needs to learn to kick straight and my heart sank in the second half when I thought he had caught the ball but fell over the line - phew! Connolly was immense, he may not have the greatest pace but he has a magnificent footballing brain and so much natural ability. He reminded me of Pahars, in that when he got the ball, I really expect something brilliant to happen. Took his goal well and was my MoM. Jahidi was a one man mountain, I don't think he lost many headers and he seems to be gelling well with Perry. James put some nice crosses into the danger areas and looked more composed than usual, he looked relaxed and as though he was enjoying it, I guess that's confidence for you. We played some wonderful football at times and I don't think there is any team int his league that could match us, based ont hat last 20 mins of the first half, it was breathtaking pass and move football, I thought I was at Anfield circa 1982 for a moment. Referee was a total fool and how he never saw that push, that should have been a penalty, I'll never quite fathom. Linestotty was useless, still, at least it looks nice for the diversity and PC people - unfortunately she was ****ing inept. Right, off to watch the boxing, order a curry, drink more Port and then watch Saints for ten seconds on the highlights later this evening. Life is good, I can't believe how much we have moved on in the last few months. Fantastic.

He's French - arrogant and belittling by innate conditioning. Most French people are slimy ****s.

I agree with MB, I have always had a thing for a bit of a feisty and wild chick with a penchant for fetish sex. Some lucky gals in prison are going to making her prison gay, although I think she's be up for a bit anyway. My kind of chick, filthy, prepared to push the boundaries of perversion just in the name of getting that extra buzz....I can't fault what she did, it was just that the execution of her sickness wasn't planned too well[playing on words there] but can't fault her fertile imagination. Top totty.

I quite agree, it could have been five or six if we had been bothered. At 3-0, we just sat back and had a stroll in the park.

Such a shame, what a way to go out. R.I.P Tiger. Sky loves you x