saint michael

Looks like you have your hands full with MLG extracting any point he can and ignoring the essence of the message. Agree with your points above and see this as a key point that will drive the club I love down and down I think the owners don’t align with football as a sport.

I’ve supported saints since the 60’s so I never have any high expectations of not selling or that owners expect a profit. My point is that Football is no longer the fundamental principle strategy point and selling is for Saints and has been for a while. Individual player value doesn’t mean the club is successful and this year is a good example of buying a team that is far from suited for the purpose of prem football. The board is trying to be far too clever and think they can outperform the market. I want to see football not as a byproduct.

For the first time I am finding it’s difficult to get excited of who we will sign How do we build success if we continually sell any player that shows a glimpse of skill, talent application etc? It feels like rent a player as a fan. It does annoy me that they buy to sell continually and this is really the main driver for them making a purchase. Obviously the main driver is to make more and more money for the owners. I would rather they were committed to keeping a core of the best players to enable some team success whilst still achieving their financial targets. This Constant churn of many players can’t possibly lead to sustainable success as a club. Sooner or later all the fails will catch you.

I find his recent statements concerning. His focus is on youth development and pathways is great, but to talk about this at a time where we have the worst first team and very little ability in the basics of professional football I find bizarre. He talks about selling our best players to the top 5/6 being the target and success for saints being able to hold onto these players rather than moving to the teams who we should be seen as our competitors. If he means Bournemouth and Brighton how does he think he will get us close to them. What does he think the steps are from this low point we are in… he makes no real mention of our ambitions of us a professional football team. Am I missing something. I know we’ve always been great for development and moving players on but is that the total strategy now and the football is a byproduct of this.

Well we can learn from the past but can’t change it, and boy have we had some points to learn from. Shame we never took these. my concern is how much we can change our current ways and how long it will take to do it. if this goes as way back as we all recognise I see very little proof that things will change or are changing that will mean we will start to improve. It feels like they keep rolling the dice and getting it wrong. As mentioned we have to get some football basics back in place and stop trying to be the super leading club that will bring a something different. It wouldn’t surprise me if we hear AI brought into this soon. The sad thing is that even the feeling of hope for the club is going and harder to imagine anything different being seen from this current shit show.

I think if the players were good enough they would make a difference regardless of the mgr. he might make a difference but shyte players who don’t give a shit and a clueless mgr on top is a disaster zone for the club

Saints playing walking football

Caveat Emptor

What good decisions do we think they have made on and off the pitch since they arrived? Most 5hings even with good intent have turned out as a pile of shyte

what do you classify as a short term success? the last few years have been like a pin ball machine bouncing from one thing to another. Major change requires a clear direction and 1 upward blip on a long decline makes little difference I think failure is built into the business model based on what we can see. Solak talks about long term success. Their ability to implement is very low and certainly showing no signs of improving. Most transfers are mediocre for most clubs. Somehow it’s envisioned that we will suddenly go from abject failure to to success. How does short term success and then a round of probable failure help us?

Is it though? Doesn’t this imply that saints business model is unsustainable. Where are Saints going? I have no idea of the real intended strategy. Successful we sell and fail and unsuccesful we fail. can’t score, can’t defend. Tippy tappy passes sideways and backwards. Desperate lunging into situation. No composure. Free kicks lumped in what on earth to they practice….awful transfers no idea whether any of these players can play poor structure in a game and poor selection and poor in game management. the championship will be another example of how bad we are. apart from this I am very excited by the future for saints…

I wonder if the owners believed that this season would end any other way than it is. If they did it really does expose how shit their knowledge of footie is.

Martin has created scars so deep we need amputations to now recover

I think we do need to push the boat out and find someone who we know can make a difference not speculate they might. Once again we are trying to be too clever or cheap again. The chat on here seems like we have all been slapped down so much lately we are talking ourselves into the mindset of he could do a job. I would like to understand why this time will be different from Jones, Selles and Martin. Moyes may not be certain success but at least you know he can do it. Someone like this even from overseas is what we need. Money talks. I’m sure we could get someone better than those suggested and available so far. I feel we are about to climb on the next rollercoaster.

I don’t think the fans count anymore. Managers becoming more cocky and not even bothering to thank or praise support. Media swooning and lack of real challenge to performances knowing they will close doors if deemed negative. Owning a club becomes a new status or ego point for them. im sure being a businessman in Serbia is not straight forward, easy or very open. I’m not sure that the financial aspect although important is first and foremost for him, he is probably investing what he expected. What he will be struggling with is how he deals with the PR of this shit performance . I’m sure that he really expects and believes this to be turned around. The longer this continues past this season the more pressure there will be. Imagine if next season saints are not chasing the championship title. I just hope that one day I see the club I first started supporting back again in a guise that I recognise and can believe in

New premier league standard… light show followed by shit show

Martin has won the lottery. Imagine being paid millions and having no expectations on you that you can do your job. It really is quite the weirdest thing I’ve seen in football over the years and shows how weird the game has become. Then you add onto that the complete delusion that you are doing really well. It’s like a tale form Hans Christian Anderson and Groundhog Day rolled into one. its not the relegation I think the damage to the club is so huge it will take years to overcome the nature of this debacle. After travelling in hope, I think we have arrived in despair

Would be interesting to see how much Saints would cost to buy now. I’m not sure that SR would be so badly affected even with all the shyte going on now. This might be why they are not reacting to it. They might just believe that buying young and developing over the longer term may well give them the best position. Cheap version of Chelsea approach. The unknown of course is the relationship between Martin and them and their belief in what he is doing. personally can’t stand watching us die this slow death after watching them for years. There has been little in the way of any hard feedback like lost gate revenue or crowd protesting or stuff that sky and the media would drive on. I really can’t see them outwardly caring at the moment. Certainly not letting anything leak on it.

The fact that we are discussing the rights and wrong of a manager with 1 win and who prioritises possession over wins shows just how fucked football is.

Even looking like a team that understands football intent of scoring and winning would be refreshing. Any new manager providing that would be a good start. The ability to coach defence and attack movement would be a bonus. Able to turn weekly coaching into match day application might make a difference too. Apart from that I think Martin is tremendous.

You can feel it on this forum that Martin is creating his own scars. He recognised it when he arrived I wonder if he recognises it now

Martin says players buy into this style. What exactly do the players buy into? Playing shit every week

I think staying up was always going to be a long shot but for goodness sake organise the team, coach them to help them and put out a consistent group that stands a chance. At least give it a go and stop this stupid experiment when clearly not working or showing any signs of working or improvement. If you can’t do this go somewhere else mate and try it there. I’m sick of sitting through this complete shit show

I don’t think we know how good these players are or could be. He has sent on 11 boys without the confidence and structure to know what to do when something challenging happens. Completely lost it dropped further back and just hoped they could stop them playing. Truly amateur stuff by Martin

Yeah. I’ve been watching since then too with Ron Davies the first great one. I guess I just don’t get system over result which is our outlook now. I think we are trying to be too clever for our own good and forgotten how to do the simple things well and how to drill these. We seem to lack any character. Martin doesn’t seem to understand defence, attack and how to transition effectively. It’s like watching someone painting by numbers.