Fitzhugh Fella

I hear there is no chance of that happening.

Phil do you think anyone has ever heard Rupert say Sorry! Ah well he is gone but you are right to say it is worthwhile filling in all the gaps in the whole sorry saga. My only surprise is that Rupert never made himself manager - I think it would have happened had he stayed! Off to darkest Yorkshire now - 3 points would be nice but it's more about having a football team to support than anything else! Last time I was in Yorkshire I was almost sitting next to Rupert but that's a long story.

I understand where you are coming from CB but why the hell did Lowe give him the job if he was so obviously unsuited or ill-equiped? Was it because Lowe knew he could manipulate him vis a vis team selections etc? I think the answer to that is almost certainly yes. (My big grudge against Lowe coming back was based around his desire to make footballing decisions instead of financial decisions). JP was a patsy - a Lowe patsy and now the patsy has found his tongue. As for Wotte - he was always going to be the fall back man - the sinister shadow in the background, mainly because he had been SCW's (Lowe's guru) "choice" a few years before. As Dubai Phil has said - it was all rotten and hopefully better days await but the recent history cannot just be whitewashed by those now embarrassed by so enthusiastically beating the Lowe drum 12 months ago. Neither should we forget those who thought SCW was the greatest thing ever to arrive in English football, along with his autobiography which told the world how it should be done!

Again, very fair comment

Fair comment

Good question - didn't Dave Jones get sacked after a win?

A few got stick on this forum this time last year for daring to suggest all was not OK. We have moved on thank God but last season was an utter shambles from start to finish and those that promoted the return of the very much discredited Lowe should hang their heads in shame. Me? I have my enthusiasm back now we have a proper manager etc etc and am even off to Huddersfield in the morning.

thought everyone had to pay for their own seats these days

I agree - the time when we were arrogant hopefully has passed. Feel sorry for Rovers fans, they have lost a hero and although dog eats dog these days let's at least have a bit of humility.

I think the penny dropped last week - in the Echo today AP talks how frustrating Nicola Cortese had found last week trying to sign players and I reckon ML freed up a bit of cash over the weekend. Considering we are doubling his wages and we have paid over a million that shows renewed committment.

About 6 I gather

Absolutely Beatlesaint, there is no doubt in my mind his intentions were honourable and I was right behind him at the time - its just that when everyone else began to smell a rat Matt stuck his head in the sand a little. I just wish the whole Pinnacle fiasco had never happened as I am sure he does too. We are lucky that ML hung around = it would have been dreadful if he had taken his euros elsewhere.

Nothing is black and white and no one is perfect. MLT is quite rightly considered a God because of what he did as a player at Southampton and no one can take that away but, if I am going to be completely honest the simple truth is he screwed up big time over Pinnacle (no matter how well-intentioned he may have been). I realise this is not going to be a popular post and I will get hated for making it, but there is not much point contributing to this forum if you feel you can't actually say what you honestly really feel or think.

As a cynic can I say that sounded very positive

The same source is now claiming Raynes is wanted by several clubs - which sounds like the whole thing was to whip up a bit of excitement. Apologies for starting this thread -I won't be posting on any more stuff from this particular medium.

Very bemused. My source was an ex County player. Will check and get back. Sorry if I raised hopes - reported in good faith.

Sorry I cut and pasted an e mail that was written last night. So they travelled down yesterday and should sign today. Jusrt passing on something from an impeccable source who has connections to County. Can't see why it wouldn't be true but as we all know after this week until the ink is dry on the contract.........

Just been told by a reliable source connected to the selling club that we are buying 2 players from Stockport County. Michael Raynes a defender and Danny Pilkington a midfielder. They travelled down today and should pass medicals tomorrow .

This time tomorrow the result should polarise the happy clappies from the slitty wristies...unless it is a draw of course!

Ginge - Everyone has got their right to whinge or moan just as everyone has got the right to see everything with rose-coloured glasses. I think sometimes the moaners moan more when the rose glasses brigade get too happy clappy and vice versa. It's called human nature. I am a bit of a moaner (you'd never have guessed) but when I am with my Dad I turn into a big happy clappy because he is the moaner from hell. That's football supporters I guess and that's Saints. Being positive doesn't make you more of a fan if just that you and MM have different ways of approaching it.

Thanks for the update Bailey. I think NC and AP have to wake up to the fact that to entice players good enough to get us promotion they are going to have to top the going rate for this league.

Don't you worry about me Nick - sometimes I have trouble comparing the past to the present. My fault I know, I have got to stay with the times but, as I as logged on here last night for the umpteenth time to see if we had picked up a 34 year old on a freebie, it suddenly hit me how low we had sunk. Feel better after a good nights sleep Incidentally has he signed yet? We are going to need him - in this morning's Guardian there was a piece on Div 1 which predicted Millwall would go up as Champions!! They were kind enough to say we could make the play-offs!

With respect Hypo there's a lot of things you don't "get"

No I'm not negative but at the same time I am not going to join in the "ML saved us therefore he is a God" brigade. He picked up a bargain for £12m - I don't think he is losing any sleep tonight about his investment. Andy Oldnow was reviled on here for certain actions when he was part of the old regime (and to all those who are saying this is a fresh start - not true AO was part of the previous exec regime which left us staring at admin) so let's be honest do any of us feel 100% sure we are in the right hands? I just feel quite sad that tonight we are sweating on a 34 year joining us on a freebie - we either want him or we don't but it looks as if we are still dabbling in the basement bargains. Are we all happy to be slaves to the new regime?

I think it is rather pathetic that we are all (I include myself here) sweating on a soon to be 34 year old signing on a free transfer. Dont get me wrong I am very grateful that I still have a club to support but we have hardly exploded out of the traps. Lot of sense in proceeding cautiously and all that but it would have been nice if Mr Liebherr could have least given us (and the club) one shot up the arse, or something to get a little excited about. So far we have the arrival of Andy Oldknow (who comes with baggage - even he will have to admit), a Chairman called Nicola who surely can't know his way around professional football with a background in Swiss banking/corporate sports and the unpalatable fact that David Jones is still a director. I know I should bow and scrape and be eternally grateful because my club has been saved but was just wondering how much longer we are expected to be so subserviant? Flame away I am sure.