Fitzhugh Fella

DD you were mocking their negativity. I was not saying you shouldn't have an opinion - of course you should - it was just you were dismissive of the opinions of others who had actually gone to the game with their criticisms of the players. If I hadn't been to a game I would be most reluctant to publicly disagree with any opinion on the performance from someone who had. I would regard that as a tad presumptious and not a little arrogant.

Fair does mog Pinnacle at first seemed to be manna from heaven (certainly when news came through that Jackson was sniffing around) but again hopes were unfairly raised and then cruelly dashed. I remember that Tuesday night feeling that was the end for my club. I just wish MLT had done a little more explaining at the end. He owes the fans that I think. As far as I know "Pinnacle" are still hiding behind the Football League ruling and no one has had the decency to tell us exactly why the deal which was definately going to happen never did. (After all when given the chance, ML did the whole deal in 12 days). Maybe Crouch will spill the beans - last time I spoke to him he was none too happy with what happened.

You must admit if reviewing a film it would be better you had actually seen it, surely. Of course non attendees should have an opinion of general matters surrounding their club but when those same people deride the opinion of those who actually go to the matches then that is a bit rich. I would not want to deny DD the right to his opinion and in fact he was quite correct in saying we need to sign a centre half. What I objected to was after the Huddersfield game he was scathing of all those who went who were moaning about the performance of the centre halves. He went as far to tell us Thomas was the answer and yet 3 days later he's moaning about nor signing decent centre-halves. He can't have it both ways

Frank - I can say with 100% certainity that your assumption made in your last sentence is correct.

You say hindsight MoG but I actually had "words" with MLT re Pinnacle's authenticity before (before I repeat) the announcement came they were pulling out and at the time posted stuff on here to back up my doubts. That got me into a lot of trouble and I was threatened with the police. Don't think I am one of your Johnny come lately blame Pinnacle brigade. I smelt a rat as soon as Tony Lynam began posting inconsistencies on here and Matt and Leon were photographed with KK. (What was that all about?)

Thanks for that - I went to Huddersfield on Saturday and was shocked by what I saw. Big problems and at present AP seems a bit clueless. We have to give him time however. OMG

Good post - if I see one more lallana rallying cry in the Echo I will throw up.

why not - what are you frightened off - an olive branch?

Agree 100% Micky I supported Pinnacle at the outset mainly because of MLT. I since feel very let down. Hope that answers your question.

wash saint - I wasn't looking to start another Lowe war but you can't over ride 5 years of neglect in a month. I am concerned at AP's start - I went to Huddersfield and was shocked at our ineptitude but like it or not we have got to give the guy a chance. He talks well but I agree he has already made some strange team selections and tactical decisions but we gotta keep our nerve here. Avoiding relegation is our goal. D

of course you are entitled to post and there have been times when I have enjoyed your contributions but just recently you have been obnoxious and aggressive in your views. I think you know you have been an arse - take it like a man and skip the cheap jibes - they do you no credit. When are you next coming to SMS - meet for a pint if you like?

And how much Pinnacle's "never gonna happen" takeover held us back. We are now suffering from a very disorganised close season and there are some who supported Pinnacle who should be asking themselves serious questions.

I haven't got a problem with you not going to games because you live a long way away but you sure have a big gob for someone who doesn't go to matches - perhaps you would be better served respecting the opinions of the fans that do go and keep quiet until you get to a match yourself - then your opinion will hold a little more water.

AP inherited a mess left by 5 years of mismanagement by Lowe. We can't expect him to sort that out in 4 weeks. Those extra 4 weeks wasted by Pinnacle's "never gonna happen" bid are now coming home to roost. Perhaps people's frustrations should be aimed at Pinnacle and the people that gave them oxygen rather than Pinnacle. Just a - no doubt unpopular - thought. Give Pardew a chance - he is far from being the biggest culprit here.

You need to get a grip mate - you spend half your life on here berating people who dare to criticise (having been to the games) and then you start a knee jerk thread having a go at the club for not signing a centre half - this after telling us Thomas is the best thing since sliced bread. May I suggest, with respect, you spend less time at your keyboard typing a load of crap and get your arse out there and actually take a look at a game or two. And then come back on here and give us the benefit of your undoubted intellect.

you've changed your tune? perhaps it might be a good idea if you took in a few games before you start pontificating - just a thought?

AP does appear to be frustrated with things. Must be a bit of a nightmare trying to rebuild a club amid the beginning of a season with -10 points.

I don't think your last sentence is correct.

Interesting and I wonder if that has any relevance to Cortese's answer to a question about his role "decisions we took right at the beginning which probably need to be revised? It seems however Andy Oldknow was the introductory agent to bring the Swiss to the table so would like his version - he may have done us a great favour. One thing I will credit him with is he knew his football.

Worth getting this as there is 100% non Premiership news and transfer speculation involving the likes of Southampton. I bought today's edition and found some interesting reading about potential transfer targets, most of which have been picked up elsewhere on this forum. The write up of the Huddersfield game was also interesting. The Echo (Adam Leitch) gave Thomas the best mark for an outfield player (6) on Saturday's performance while TLP gave him the lowest mark (3). How can two reporters differ so much? Just goes to show you can't trust what you read. I think Adam Leitch got it wrong incidentally. Pardew's cooments in the TLP were concerning too - he said " I'm aware we need to bring in one or two new players to bolster the squad here, but to be honest I don't know whether that is possible". I assume we are having trouble attracting players reluctant to drop down to our level? Anyhow when all said and done - you learn a lot from this paper and it is a refreshing read compared to the national media's obsession with the Prem and the big 4.

John B - that is a classic sentence.

He was pictured standing behind ML and NC in the director's box for the Millwall game. I thought he had put on a little weight since I had last seen him but he won't thank me for pointing it out.

Yes I stand corrected. He was trying to save the club no doubt about it but he had tied his ribbon to the wrong mast.

Appreciate what you are saying especially when comparing Saturday to some of the abyssmal away performances over the last few years but I think the fact remains we just weren't at the races v Town and that was despite being "up for it". As for Thomas I have heard some worrying things from people who would know about his mental strength. Although he a powerfully built defender there are stories than when the going gets tough he gets going and to me on Saturday that was increasingly evident as the game wore on. I would not be surprised to find him injured for tomorrow's game. I'd like to be proved wrong here because, for a team that is far too lightweight we desperately need his strength and power but we also need determination and a cool head. Tomorrow will be an interesting test of his and our bouncibility .

Robbie I beg to differ. IMO Pinnacle (MLT and perhaps TL apart) never were "interested" in saving Southampton. They were just a couple of men who intended to use leveraged debt to purchase the club and ultimately move it on for a profit. TL and MLT were used because of local connections and also Matt's profile. I think we have to be careful when we refer to Pinnacle because there is no doubt elements of the so called Pinnacle group were not being totally honest with each other. The FL issue was just an excuse. We came very close to losing ML because of Pinnacle (see Cortese'srecent interviews in the Echo) and to give them praise by saying they tried to save saints is wide of the mark. I think MLT was trying to "save the Saints" but he was unwittingly used by a bunch of glorified con artists.