Fitzhugh Fella

Not a historian of football eh - I will point you to a couple of recent independent reviews. http://www.hagiologists.com/atsrev.htm And if the club has been so wonderfully run over the last five years why has the man who has been running it been replaced by the owner. Are you as thick as you sound?

Bandwagon Bob, your ignorance is breath taking. Firstly I have not said I want a club run for the fans or by the fans just a little more recognition. Please be good enough to actually read what I say before hitching your skirt to the bandwagon of ignorance. No one is talking revolution - you made that up in your own little head, it must be the long dark nights up there. I am really glad you are pleased at the way the club is being run - presumably you are privy to all meetings and decisions or is that just blind faith on your part? Oh and I should be honoured that my book is now being allowed back in the shop, making the club money, adding to the 50 grand that Hagiology books have already made the club. I am so lucky, thank you for pointing that out, I had completely forgotten. Check my facts? - that is rich coming from a twerp like you who can't even type, spell or construct a sentence. You are not related by any chance to that old hag that used to sit at the bottom of the guillotine during the French Revolution cackling every time another head hit the basket?

And I think that is where it all started going downhill as far as fan's are concerned. I guess it is evolution or progress but I don't agree with it hence the OP.

So basically Frank you are saying the fans are irrelevant?

Why? It's what I think. I have enjoyed the last five years and been very proud this season but I still feel the fans are way down the food chain these days. It is the same almost everywhere else too I accept. Will it change? No I guess not but I am not going to sit back and say it is wonderful being owned by the Liebherr company just because we have had five good years. For me it would be a lot greater if the fans were at least listened to when it comes to things like design of the kit. We are continually told how much the players value our support especially at away matches but this support is sometimes a one way street as we saw on Saturday. Do you think Pochettino spent one second considering the away fans at the Stadium of Light? No fans should not have seats on the board and no clubs should not be run for the fans but the fans' views need to be respected in certain areas.

The land of make believe where no one is accountable for their views?

Sorry Nick - this is a bit of a windbag post, tonight we are dealing with emotions. Not being rude because I accept you have put time and thought into your post and much of it makes sense but.......................sometimes common sense does not add up - just look at MP's team selections.

yea I agree with this, esp the overlapping bit but aren't we becoming subservient? Just asking. Should we not be a bit more vocal in what we want. Our devotion to the Liebherrs is a bit nauseating tbh

But what would be their motives? I bet we would not like them.

So you can't answer my question?

**** knows, I guess I would at least know who I was talking to?

Good point re gates. But why did MP replace AL with a rookie with 10mins to go? That to me said it all Ron.

I agree SC, but no one wants to be owned by someone who is half-hearted or can't make up their mind?

And you get your evidence from where? Seriously I am interested.

Again you make a fair point and maybe it is the wider picture I should be criticising. But apologies, this is a Saints forum and I was trying to keep it on topic after yesterday, but I agree the malaise is not a local one.

You are frit. Go on e mail me, let's talk this through with both of us knowing who we are talking to- or do you want to keep hiding? Genuine question. You views are **** without a name behind them

Maybe you should do the same? But hold on you are anonymous so what would be the point? I bet that really ****s you off. You want attention but you can't get it because... hold on you are too frightened. How about you say it to my face Duncan@duncanholley.co.uk

Yea I guess it all started when Lowe helped us get on to the stock exchange. But in fairness to him he was only doing what had to be done. That was the day the "music died".

Ok let's see what happens this summer, but don't hold your breath. Someone in a very high up official position at SMS is forecasting we will be sold

Good point but you are now equating SFC with businesses in the City. Actually I think you are right which is where I came in on the original post. We are not a football team we are a business who has a football team.

Saint Charlie, I truly rate MP and want to see him get a new contract but I will be very surprised if he is still here a year from now. Why do I think that? Because this club is run now as a business.

Yea that's what I thought but it is still a bit strange that he played 90 mins on the Friday night when he could have gone to the NE. But I accept there could have been a reason. Again if there was why not tell us? Surely this sort of info is not off limits? We have become so subservient to the club's decision on what is right for us to know.

Including you

Sensible response - thank you for talking like a real fan. But this weekend (and this is why I started this thread) for the first time I found myself asking "actually what is the point"? And then I realised there is none because no one of any importance at the club really cares. The guys who run the media section like Jordan Sibley and Simon Williams care but the people they answer to don't. Since we have had a temporary CEO we have heard nothing, but there again my point is "why should we think we are entitled to hear anything in the first place".

Good question - let me try and explain Lowe had to be accountable. It would be nice to think our owners had affinity. Dunno if that helps but I sort of get it