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It's one example, I list multiple others in the post. And resting Armstrong occasionally is a decent idea, our own manager said he can't play every game in a congested schedule.

For us? Walcott maybe, we haven't had many sub 20 year old forwards regularly start for us at the top level in recent years. We certainly had it with older forwards like Ings who have a similar effect. In the league in general the likes of Foden, Rashford, Greenwood, Saka have similar effects for their club when breaking through young. Certainly have been countless who have had a similar effect for their club since Gascoigne. Rooney being comfortably the best imo. Or Owen maybe.

I think his main thing is he is pretty bad at judging the situation he's in. He doesn't strike me as very intelligent for the game, rarely making the right decision to pass, to hold up play, or to recycle. He has an instinct for going for goal but his decision making needs to improve. Should be coachable but has held players back throughout their career in the past.

No issue with that, it's all opinions and none of us have a crystal ball so it's all prediction based off limited info anyway

Anyone calling for Tino to play for England right now is wrong. I haven't seen that personally but if so, yes, they are over rating him

I think "will be a champions league player" is overstating it. He certainly has a decent shot. Adam Armstrong I think has something about him. Since seeing them both in the prem I certainly now think Broja is more talented and better but I don't think the "one is a championship level player at best who will never be good enough and the other is already someone city should be signing, going to be champions league level, worth £40m+" is a big exaggeration on both ends. I think a lot of this argument comes down to a lack of nuance in football forum discussion. Anything less than "he's the next Gascoigne" is "he's shite".

Livramento was an insane signing for £5m, he is a similar level to Broja and we got him for about 1/4 his price atleast. Broja is also a good player, and as I said, would be a decent buy for ~£25m but to say he is worth £40m+ and would be a good signing for City (and many many other claims like the Gascoigne thing, linked to Bayern, CL quality already) is absolutely over rating him. Also I agree young players go through ups and downs, I'm not saying he is bad or writing him off, I'm just saying he has been well over hyped by many on this forum. I'm still saying he is good enough to be our record signing. The fact people are taking such exception to me saying that, yes he is good enough to be our record signing, but no he isn't good enough for City or to be the next Gascoigne is really a mark of how way overhyped he is on here.

Yeah, a manager needed to sort his mentality as much as his playstyle. Then again, if Ralph got a good season out of him and he forced a move to a big side we'd likely just let him leave for a decent fee then everyone is a winner. Wasn't to be though.

If he isn't just a young player who had a purple patch then why has he been so ineffective for most of the last 2-3 months? He's quickly coming towards the point where he has had as many ineffective games as effective ones and for a player who doesn't make much for others or contribute much outside of goals, 6 goals in 24 league appearances isn't going to excite many city fans.

People often overrate the role of a manager but Lemina is a great example of a missmanaged player for me. I think if he had a full preseason and season under Ralph he could have looked really good for us, he just never had anyone here who could reign him in and get the best out of him. Shame really, although Romeu and JWP have both been incredible so I don't know how happy he would have been to ride the bench.

I think English refs, var or otherwise, are just wildly inconsistent. Whatever narrative people have going into it (big clubs get the decisions, arsenal are being shafted, English players get an easy ride) can be pretty easily justified with confirmation bias, we remember the ones that back up the theory and forget the ones that don't. Truth is, in my opinion, our refs are just pretty shite.

That's a red for me, clear as day. No idea how keepers get away with things like that.

Yeah, he's a young player doing well. People should take notice, but there is a difference between taking notice and some things you read on here. I think I saw someone say city should skip buying Kane and just get him instead at one point. Having watched him for the last 10 games or so, do you think that is sensible still?

Well, I say he wasn't exactly rated before because he wasn't anything like thought of as a £25m+ player when we signed him. He has definitely only really acquired this level of hype since having a good spell with Saints.

Is he the best young player since Gascoigne, worth £40m+ and would walk into most champions league sides? If your answer to all three of those isn't "why ofcourse" then he is objectively overrated by atleast some on here.

At this point he's had about as many games out of form as in form. Kane we knew would come back as he is Kane. Broja has one season with an ok return in Holland behind him. I like that you are optimistic that the Broja we saw for his first 10 starts is the real one and the more recent 10 games is a dip in form but how do you know it isn't the other way round? He is a decent player who had a hot streak and some people on here got way over excited and started calling him a champions league level player who is worth £40m+ and is the best young player they've seen since Gascoigne? Honestly the fact I have said I think he's a good player, worth £25m, and is young so is likely to improve and this is described (albeit by a known idiot who was convinced we were finishing last and laughed at those who suggested 10-14th) as negative to the degree of irrational obsession is a real sign of how overrated he is.

Broja wasn't exactly rated before us, could be he just had a hot streak when he first got starts and is reverting. Hope not, but even when he was flying his game had a lot of room to improve, it just was easy to ignore when he was scoring well. He's very young though so "room to improve" is fine, he'll learn. He just was massively overhyped on here so was always due for a fall from grace.

And when he's off form it's like playing with 10 men as he can't really get involved in the build up, hold up, passing game like Che does. He can't set others up. Terrific goal scorer when on form but when not an absolute passenger. Still would like is to sign him for a reasonable price but talk of £60m or whatever is laughable. Over £25m and I think we should look elsewhere.

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I think we have to consider benching Broja for Armstrong, Broja just hasn't been up to much for the last few games. Infact in our last 10 games or so his best performance was off the bench vs West Ham. Maybe we should start Adam Armstrong and deploy Broja off the bench. We have had a tonne of possession vs Villa and Newcastle and we looked blunt. Something has to change. I'd bring in Perraud for Tino and put KWP on the right too. I think that'll help Elyounoussi perform at a higher level again.

You don't need to be good at spending money if you spend the most money in europe. Any mildly competent spending will lead to massive improvement. Also Howe isn't in charge of transfers.

If you think Broja is better than Adams you must have watched like 3 games this season.

We should see if MLT will dust off his boots then...

No, absolutely not, Ings has been wank most of the season as has Watkins. I think maybe Ings starts over Broja when fit, but only when fully fit which he rarely is.

Wood has got double digit goals for like 5 seasons on the bounce, we aren't too good for Wood.