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Yep. So winning world war 2 doesnt mean you should be automatically grateful if the country then goes on to kill people. My point exactly.

You have everything to do with him. If Russia, and by extension him, didn't support us how they did, then you would be speaking German right now. How is that any different to what British soldiers did for you? Stalin personally improved your life by allowing you to live in a free country, are you going to thank him?

Well all economic ideologies control power through governmental force. So really you should throw capitalism into that same result too. Expecially when you consider the countless that have died in wars for commodities, those left to starve while others live in excess, those who live and die in slave-like conditions in third world countries just to facilitate cheaper trainers. The thing is, ideologies in general have causal links to murder in one sense or another. Marxism can be done without mass-murder, as can capitalism. Fascism is, by definition, mass murder.

Weird that Marxism is seen as the other end of the spectrum to Fascism when one is an economic ideology about the ownership of the means of production and the distribution of power and the other is the act of racial purification through genocide. Seems a pretty shitty equivocation.

Without a lot of things you undoubtedly disagree with we wouldn't be a free country either. The USSR had more troops die fighting Nazi Germany than the US and the UK put together and almost quadruple what the UK sent. Does that mean you are a hypocrite if you don't celebrate Stalin?

Who is ignoring dissenting black voices? Furthermore, in the same way if I want to know what it is like to be a doctor I would ask a doctor, if I want to talk about systemic racial discrimination I would ask someone who has experienced it. Not sure why this idea upsets you so? Does experience not matter anymore? I thought the right were all about facts and logic, why would I trust someones opinion who had no idea what systemic racial discrimination feels like on the subject?

Honestly it just sounds like you are getting a bit annoyed at it being pointed out white people have less experience and relevance to a conversation about racial discrimination than people of colour. Sometimes when it comes to things like this you just have to learn to listen to those who know better than you, and that is OK. It isn't hateful, I don't hate anyone, I just encourage people who are not in the effected group to talk less and listen more. I think this only offends some white people as they are used to being at the centre of any given conversation, which is part of their privilege and part of the reason why challenging your privilege is so jarring. But I do not hate you, I promise you that.

It is not hypocrisy to live in a society when you disagree with aspects of it, it is reality. Everyone has to make do with the world they live in and do their best inside it. He doesn't owe this country or it's soldiers anything. He earns money like anyone else, he should not be forced to commemorate british soldiers, especially after the horrific things they did in Ireland. He should be within his rights to turn his back on a remembrance wreath, he is not employed to do otherwise and it isn't illegal so really what is the issue?

How is the same not true about the poppy? One person to my knowledge has chosen not to conform for completely valid reasons and has had a torrent of abuse ever since. Could be loads of people who tie the poppy to the British military, and all the atrocities carried out by it, and don't want to support that but are afraid of what the fans and tabloids will say about them.

I don't hate old insecure white blokes, a lot of my family fall in to that category, I just have limited interest in hearing them spouting off about political movements they clearly don't fully understand owing to their limited, privileged worldview. And I thought it was a bit weird as this forum is for discussing saints and, while BLM effects saints in that it effects all teams, it certainly doesn't strike me as directly relevant to our team in a specific sense and therefore should likely be in the "The Lounge" section. If that sort of view is sufficiently extreme to consider me a "race-baitor" I don't know what to tell you, you must be very annoyed in most of your day to day interactions.

Politics has always been highly relevant to football, as have economic conditions. It doesn't mean they deserve two threads on a section of a message board ostensibly about Southampton football club which is suppose to be "100% Saints discussion." Also, what have I said that is race-baiting or full of hatred, full of annoyance maybe, but I have said nothing hateful? Also being good at kicking a football about doesn't afford you automatic respect when it comes to your political views, I care no more about MLT's view on politics than some guy I met down the pub, his footballing past has no relevance to his views.

I mean I get that, and it is funny, but we have a whole other thread discussing that too. This one will end the same way the other did, with a slap fight between old white blokes uncomfortable with discussion pertaining to their substantial privilege moaning about not being the centre of the conversation for a bit. Can't we just go back to agonising about whether Salisu will get a work permit or which one of our mediocre right-backs is better? That is kinda what this space is designed for. I read enough racist bullshit on facebook.

Also, why do we now have two threads on the football discussion section of this forum specifically dedicated to discussing the black lives matter movement? One was a bit weird but two is insane, does this forum not have moderators?

Congratulations, you are both wrong. Doesn't make what you said any less stupid though.

Amazing how many people think fascist means being made to do something, completely devalues the word. We really have a shocking education system, some people seemingly can't even spell fascist.

I'd like to see Brighton and Bournemouth stay up. Nice having some south coast teams with us. Plus some nice away days. I hate West Ham with a passion so would love to see them fall away to nothing.

The appeal to authority is fallacious, and Israel is a settler colonialist apartheid state that murders journalists, health-workers, and children.

Not as well for me, was a bit anonymous.

Armstrong wasn't a regular either to be fair, and he has been doing great.

It says it is not systemic oppression and bringing it up in a conversation about systemic oppression is a lame attempt at whataboutism born out of ignorance, I'd imagine.

Well put.

"Nobody is allowed to speak about the rioting blacks". These are things you don't expect to read on a football forum. Black lives matter is a fantastic cause and it is great it is getting support. If you object to it you need to have a look at yourself, honestly.

I was trying to only list permanent outgoings, I see both of them getting loaned out again.

May be optimistic but I think we may see our ins as: Salisu/Disasi Ntcham KWP/another rightback and a new young unproven attacking midfield to replace Boufal. Out hopefully: Forster Moi Hojbjerg Vestergaard Boufal

I'd imagine so. Has looked ok in glimpses this season, may be able to turn 10m for him to a newly promoted team or abroad. Djenepo plays a very similar role and is far more promising so I am not personally that bothered.