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Yes Adrian we know, everyone is according to you. Just how good are you I wonder?

... but Phil, you said these guys were talking over Bournemouth, not P****mouth? What went wrong?

Please, please remember that this is pure rumour and speculation - nothing more.

... but has he not been taking the P for the last three years?

Sorry CB I can't accept that you have the right to say "I believe there is no God because it has not been proved that God exists" without someone else having the right to say "I believe there is a God because it has never been proved that there is no God". There is sufficient evidence for many people that there is a God and they have a right to that belief and, unless it is proved otherwise, they will continue to hold on to that belief. In the meantime, those who believe there is no God will probably hold on to that view until the existence of God is proved! No one is absolutely sure, we are all believers. People died for their beliefs, true. But why? I can't under stand why eleven terrified, defeated men hiding from the Roman authorities would suddenly become preachers of the news that Jesus has risen from death. What did they have to gain? They had everything to lose and many lost their life - for what purpose if they did not truly believe what they had seen? No smoke without fire! Something significant happened 2000 years ago and some will take that as evidence of a God. Those that do may require proof of the contrary viewpoint. There is still a case to answer either way. Finally, to suggest that people plant bombs because they believe in God is profoundly mistaken. Religious belief does not create bombers and terrorists. Human politics and the manipulation/control of the masses brings that about. Certain religions are linked to certain cultures and certain cultures have histories that are fraught with tragic events and resulting prejudices. That is nationalism and politics, human frailty, not a belief in God. Something has obviously moved you at some point to an extreme view in one direction and I am sorry about that. However, whether you like it or not, this is not about proof, it is about belief. You are at liberty to put your faith in human research and science but that does not mean there is no God, it just reflects your view; your belief.

LOL at all the experts on evolution and human culture on here! I am truly amazed at how much you all know. There seems to be only one truth - we are ALL believers. Some believe there is a God and some believe there is not. Even Darwin does not suggest there is no God, he observed that things change, life forms change. The Bible, as far as I am aware, does not deny that life forms evolve and change. There is no answer to the original posters question. Each individual has to make a choice of whether to believe in (a) God or not and, if they decide to believe, follow the course that it takes them on; or, if they choose not to believe, to go their own way. It is a big choice however and one that should not be taken lightly. Consider with a balanced open mind not one sullied by modernist cultures. For every Steven Hawkins there are equally intelligent people who take a contrary view. If you want to apply solely human logic to this then there are lots of streams of thought you can follow. For example - in this country there is a Christian church (many denominations but one church). Why? The Christian religion was brought to this country by missionaries who risked their lives to do so. They did it because they met with people who changed their lives by what they had to say. The legend some of you seem think was twisted, changed and fantasied was one that people were prepared to die for - wise men or fools? People were put to death in the early part of the first century for admitting to being a follower of Christ but still they were prepared to do so and still the Christian religion could not be extinguished, it grew and continues to grow today. So logic says if people were prepared to die for a belief then they must have truly believed. The problem is that human logic does not explain everything, there is much illogical about life, the universe and everything. There is still much to be discovered and proved. There are those who believe that the world was created by God, others believe it came about by a big bang - could this actually be one and the same thing? If you look for the existence of a god solely in creation then you still have to face up the fact that something from somewhere had to be present to 'bang'. Physicists are still struggling to explain the big bang (hence the particle collider under the Alps) and have not started on what went before the bang yet - plenty keep them going for a year or two yet I think. I agree, the OP is an intriguing question. I worry some of you dismiss it too lightly. Please remember NOTHING has been proved either way, we are all believers. Just choosing to rubbish ideas of a god because a presence has not been proved may just be backing the wrong horse; they may not of course!

West Ham manager Avram Grant on his side's relegation after their 3-2 defeat by Wigan: It's a very sad day for me, for the amazing supporters and the club. I knew the problems when I came here but I believed we could do something good. Maybe this game tells the story of the season. It started well for us, like many games, but what happened happened. For me it's the saddest day in my football life. I'm very, very sorry for the supporters and the club. It is a great club. It's a big club and I'm sure they will be back to the Premier League. But it's not the first time they've been in this situiation. I'm sure they will think about it. My future is not important right now." Does that not sound familiar? I suppose he just rehearsed it last year ready for this year?

Gosh, you guys can find something to worry about even when there is nothing to worry about.

Thanks for the clarification Phil - I am sure we all await developments with bated breath! Not sure Bompey is a better buy than Pompey but it's their money - or is it????

URGENT: Please clarify - you are saying the Russians are back in for Bournemouth and have deserted P********H?

May be we are being sold to two Russian billionaires and all our worries are just beginning? (Joke!)

Well, was there one or are we still waiting?

... and when we win today please don't cheer, sing and generally enjoy yourselves. Take a moment to stop and think about the poor Plymouth fans who will have just seen their side relegated. Please don't make it harder for them.

Anyone buying a season ticket this way is entering in to a transaction with Zebra Finance. If P****Y do eventually go under, season ticket holders who purchased their tickets this way will have no protection. Only if Zebra Finance cease to trade will they have any come back and then only if they go under before their season ticket arrives in the post. P****Y out of business will mean season ticket holders out of pocket as they will have no games to watch. It will have zero effect on the banking system as a whole UNLESS Zebra Finance are giving season ticket holders guarantees about refunds which I very much doubt.

"Young Mark may well get a winner's medal this year, and already what a carrer he's having, Wembley final twice, and pretty well a good report every time he's reported on, I would've loved him to stay, in reflection it was a good deal at the time, time may make it look like Stoke had the bargain though, anyway I'll be backing Stoke to win this year, I always liked Man City and they were my childhood top team, but I hate purchased success, so they won't be getting my backing, Asmir will shine and I bet he's sought after in the summer." An amazing bit of hypocrisy in this quote by King Chestnut on the News website!

Chickens waiting to hatch; cart then horse; we have had four threads on this already and I think it best left to the end of the season when we know in which league we will be playing next year before we start even thinking about planning for it. The second oldest cliché in football (after 'sick as a parrot') is 'take one game at a time'. Next is Brentford away ...

I date back to the 59/60 season too! My first season as a 'real' supporter attending games in the Milton Chocoboxes - I had to make do with the football echo before that! I guess after all that time you take the ups and downs sort of in your stride. Relegation is still gut wrenching but life goes on and for ever relegation there is ALWAYS a promotion to follow one day. This year? Hope so but if not, there is always next ...

Oh that's nice, you remember me? I'm pretty much a lurker these days.

In your life maybe.

Peterborough have by far the easiest 'run-in'. If they beat Huddersfield then they will be a big threat on the last day of the season it could hinge on goal difference. Daggers away (win) Udders away (draw) Plimmuf home (win) Orient away (draw) Yovvil home (win) 'dale away (win) Daggers home (win) 17 more points + 67 = 84 We would need 84-68 = 16 We have 5 difficult (yet winnable) away games and 4 at home - 4 x 3 if we win all at home = 12 therefore we would need a win and a draw from those away games - should be in the bag but its going to be exciting! If they beat Udders though then the target of another win away or three extra draws is daunting. Its the unpredictability that make football so gripping!

Looking up Norwich (2nd), Leeds (5th) and Millwall (8th) have all done well this season in the Championship. How much have they strengthened and how much of the squad were part of the team that went up? I have no idea but my recollection is that none were that prolific in the transfer market. Does that mean the gap between 2nd and 3rd division is not that great? If that is the case then we don't need much in my view, just a good pre-season and a couple of replacements for ageing players who might be OTT and not up for a new campaign. Several of our players have already played at Championship level anyway.

OK I'm sorry! You were just very quick to jump on the 'band wagon tho'!

St Laird OUT! Bit premature with this weren't we?

Other than a rumour on another clubs website do you have any evidence that we are in financial turmoil and are in crisis; enough evidence to justify getting to the point where you are verging on being hysterical? Are there ANY implications in all this that have been substantiated? I really don't want to be rude but I think its time you calmed down until real evidence comes to light. One young player (and one with a known temperament problem at that) has been told to find a club elsewhere and you claim we are in melt down? Get a grip on reality for goodness sake. If you want financial crisis then look at Plymouth, Coventry (SISU et al) and our dear friends down the M27 to mention just three. There are many more, including Oldham, Sheff Wed (despite MM), Southend, Cardiff and Stockport, who have REAL problems, not imaginary ones. For heavens sake, grow up and grow some b4lls.

Wasn't it Holder-Spooner that got Oxo in to trouble by hi-jacking a Facebook page and posting something about better to be paid a fortune at Arsenal and not play than play for Saints for peanuts?