CB Fry

To be fair, the transfer window thing is more about hourly and daily predictions about "anyone of any value" or "anyone not nailed down" being sold "immediately" because "all he cares about is money" etc etc etc And that didn't happen. So all the hysterics that had been saying this would happen are frankly wrong. The same hysterics are now scrabbling around for a new conspiracy that they can fit into "Rupert's Plan to Kill the club on purpose" and it is quite amusing seeing the leaps of logic taken place. Here's a couple already doing the rounds: The idea that not selling players is more evidence of us going into administration - as opposed to selling loads of players which would have meant we wouldn't be going into administration. Or something. The idea that because we haven't sold anyone the whole administration thing is one big fat lie sold to us by guess who to keep the fans in line and relegate us on purpose for a laugh. Or something. And here's your leap of logic: Oh, I see. Now it is all about us failing to buy players. Even though we are actually skint. Not even the most feverish Hysterics were expecting significant signings during this window, but now there are no sales to moan about, lets pretend we had the opportunity to splash out on players after all. Keep it coming chaps. I'm loving the "all our players are rubbish" stuff, I really am. Look, we kept the squad together for the final push, which was as much as any of us expected on Jan 1st. Please stop wasting energy fitting in some bonkers Lowe is evil conspiracy around our current situation and worry about this team and this manager staying up. Unlikely, I know, but still.....

So you are saying Surman, Davies, Lallana are all crap then? If they're not "fit for purpose" I take it were they sold to Sunderland, Reading and Fulham or whoever yesterday you wouldn't have batted an eyelid. Right?

So what "certain clubs" has Pulis "fitted into" so far - how many more does he have to get through to get a regular game? I've never seen him play and I doubt I ever will. But my pre judgement is that he is cr ap. I look forward to him proving me wrong. And who was that poster a while back who was betting against all comers that Pulis would play 20 games for us this season?? Anyone remember?

If we had sold Surman, Davies and or Lallana then the likes of you would be screaming blue murder about how Lowe had sold our best players, ripped the heart out of the team etc etc etc. Or are you saying that we could survive just as well without Kelvin and Drew and co? They're just players, we're rubbish and they are all replaceable? You're beginning to sound like some evil money obsessed chairman..... In the hysterics wing of this forum there is so much having your cake and eating it going on its untrue. "We have no best players" I'd love to see the reaction if it was Lowe coming out and saying that as a justification for selling them.

You seem to think you're asking tricky questions, but all the answers are obvious and available - Pearson was jack sh it to do with money, we could have easily afforded him, it was about Lowe's dopey revolution. The loaning out of players was money related, because we are skint. Things aren't "so rosy" and I don't think anyone is saying they are. The only back tracking going is from the hystericals on the forum that decide that "Lowe sells everything that moves" "Lowe will cash in Lallana/Suman/Davies/everyone as soon as you can blink" and so on. Very few of those that are labeled Luvvies said we wouldn't sell players, but plenty of the loons said we would sell every member of the first team. And its them that are wrong. The truth is slightly more complicated than some on here can handle. But still, roll up for the new evil-Lowe-conspiracy theories - I'm loving the one that us not selling players is even stronger evidence we're going into administration!!! (Would the same people be saying "this is evidence of our financial security" if we'd sold five players this month? Unlikely....)

So what exactly was your opinion of Zoltan Liptak this time yesterday? Did you think he was a good player and would make a brilliant addition to the squad? If he'd signed for Sheff Utd today would you be on here saying what a cracking signing they'd made? Or......had you never heard of him? I don't get the mindset that just because we sign a player he instantly becomes a world beater. He was loaned out to, and couldn't get a game for, Stevenage Boro, LAST SEASON. Sorry for not dancing round the kitchen at this signing. If he isn't good enough for Stevenage Boro, or Southend, or Huddersfield then chances are he just might not be all that.

Funny Hertha could have tied up the transfer of this player they so desperately wanted long before Lowe even came back to power at Saints, i.e. before Skacel went off to Euro 2008 and dazzled the continent with his commitment, skills and workrate alerting all the major clubs in Europe to his red hot availability. Why didn't they do that? After all, the previous "non-evil" regime would have let them have Skacel for free, right?

I'm sure there is another side to the Rudi story that doens't quite blame Lowe for every single thing. And I am sure if we let Rudi go for nothing you'd be slating Lowe for that too. You seem to be advocating our chairman give our players away for nothing and let them decide the exact terms of their departure? Right? Wotton not playing cannot possibly be for the same reasons as Euell and co, not least because he was signed by/for the "revolutionary" management team.

Well, we do always need a fresh supply of sticks to beat our man with. Our chairman is a **** because he failed to sell anyone could be the stick de nous jours and no doubt Richmond and friends will be weilding it shortly! That's not to say you're not right - the bank will look at the last month as an opportunity to bring in a million or two and/or cut the wage bill and frankly on those criteria we've failed.

I like the Steve Tilson was "desperate to sign him" quote on Wiki. So desperate he never played a game as was shipped out to non league soon after! We can't half pick em!

He he. Just to confirm to all that was SR's quote and not mine. It's funny how fantastic our players are to the hysterics like SR when they think they are going to be sold. I wonder if he thinks they are so fantastic now they all look like they are staying - it's almost like Lowe has let his manager(s) (!) build a team..... Oh, and I see we've just signed someone else at the stroke of the deadline........! What money troubles..?

Can someone please explain why you were ranting, raving and whining about all our players being sold more than one month before the transfer window even opened and then followed that up with eight weeks of moaning about how ridiculous it was to have a fire sale of all our best players and how Lowe would sell every single player at the first opportunity and blah, blah frigging blah.......on and on with lots...... of............ dots.......... every....w.....h.....e..........r........e And these really annoying things too :cool: Well, I can explain. You're a dopey twonk. What's that sound? Oh, it's Saint Richmond's tiny world caving in. What a despicable fire sale that turned out to be, then :rolleyes: :rolleyes: I really cannot wait for your spin on this story. I give it half an hour before you weave this comparitively pretty good transfer window for us into being part of some dastardly evil Lowe masterplan you've cooked up in your head. Go............on..................start.......weaving..............:cool: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: PS - Don't come the "you love Lowe" routine either. I don't love Lowe, but I do think you waste too much time making up stuff that doesn't happen and then getting upset about stuff that might not will not and/or did not happen. So you are fair game for a darn good laughing at.

Linked with Charlton as well. If we assume he isn't keen on moving to Lancashire, he may decide to stay south with us or them. Can't imagine there will be much of a financial incentive between the three of us. Preston is a long drive in the snow.

Can't anyone keep their powder dry on this forum? There could be cause for some serious I-told-you-so-ing, but I'm waiting until gone 5pm before I start dishing it out. Anything could happen in twenty minutes.

He's bummed about far too many clubs making no great impact far too much for someone so young. Losing zero sleep over this one.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/footballnation/swansea-city-fc/2009/02/01/saints-plan-to-keep-swans-loan-start-dyer-91466-22827588/ To be fair he doesn't say he's going to recall him, just not sell him to Swansea and start again next season. We probably can't recall him now.

Hang on, I didn't realise clubs had crystal balls when they arranged loans. When we loaned Rasiak to Watford they were not expected to be relegation rivals. And the other point is Watford had parachute cash and we didn't, we didn't have any cash. And the third point Saints saying we're "aiming for the playoffs" did not mean we couldn't loan any players out and in the case of Rasiak it looks like we had no financial choice but to. And being that Rasiak proved last season not to be good enough for the Prem at Bolton, a CCC club was his only likely destination. So stop being so silly. Watford were not "relegation rivals" when we loaned Rasiak to them. It is not in any way comparable to us selling or loaning Surman to Forest, which would be stupid.

Saints v Brum was the main game second week of the season, and we are the main game as much as our status of nowheresville in the title/play off race merits - ie hardly ever. We were main game about five times last season, though, and will be main game a few times season-to-go as we will be in a few relegation dogfights.

What a load of tosh. Lowe's objective when he came back was to get to the Premier League, but get to the Premier League "his way". Whether or not any of us think "his way" is right or not is neither here nor there*. He didn't come back to take us to League one "on purpose" or "to spite the fans". You can't have it both ways - either all he cares about is money or not. The Premier League is where the money is and League one is where no money is. *Obviously his way is utter nonsense, so don't try any cheap shots with me.

Still time to enter the sweepstake, as he's still here.....

No, the expectation was that Watford have parachute money, and we didn't. Anyway, you can't have it both ways. Either Watford were a "relegation rival" when we let Rasiak go there, or they weren't. PS. The answer is they weren't.

From what I have seen of this, it looks like an absolute triumph. Brilliant turn out, great media coverage - another snapshot on SSN just now. And no trouble and a focused message excellently delivered. Well done to everyone involved in organising this - great stuff, makes me proud to be a Saints fan.

Watford weren't expected to be our relegation rivals when we loaned Rasiak to them. Surman to Forest is probably unlikely at best. Reading would be a fair more logical destination.

A draw wil still be two points dropped. A team winning one game at home all season at the end of January is a team going down. We really need to win.

3-0. This is not good. I'm worried Adams will get the boot too soon, be replaced by someone like Curbishley who then keeps them up. We need Adams to scrape a few draws to keep him in the job, and then royally f u ck it up in March and April. Any half decent manager should be able to keep that squad in the division. It's going to take some effort from Adams to relegate them.