CB Fry

We're relegated already so fuck knows where you've cooked up that shite.

I haven't checked for while so maybe you could list out the clubs that have survived relegation from the Premier League on 14 points?

We're not 9 points from safety. The next manager will not keep us up because your guy has fucked the entire season in 15 games. Sacking the manager is not about staying up. It's about sacking. the. manager.

The fact the we are already relegated is not a reason to not sack Martin. I don't expect any replacement to keep us up, no chance now. That doesn't mean we should continue to feed the preening ego and future job prospects of the guy who got us in this mess.

Exactly. These demands for some perfect "viable" replacement seem to be completely ignoring the recruitment of Russell Martin himself - he was hardly some no-brainer outstanding unquestionable viable appointment. Most fans either shrugged, hadn't even heard of him, or thought he'd be shite. He wasn’t the name on everyone's lips that's for sure. Someone will have to trawl up all the forum posts on here from Summer 23 all agreeing that "it HAS to be Russell Martin he's the only guy we should go for" (don't bother we all know there weren't any). So fuck knows why Russell Martin's replacement is being held to a higher bar than he was himself. Especially as Russell Martin has proved to the single worst manager in Premier League history.

Not ready to believe it yet.

He'll have to remind us whose fault it is for the 60+ goals conceded in the Championship for three consecutive seasons, plus the boatload this season. Are they all the fans fault as well? Arrogant deluded prick. Tick tock.

Because we wouldn't have negotiated his Premier League terms when we got him from Swansea. But it looks like there was a clear option to extend/review on promotion. Which to be honest, even now, seems fair enough.

Some genius will be along in a minute to pretend that no manager alive or dead from Pep to Ferguson in his peak could do any better with this squad than one win and 5 points from 15 games. Russell Martin is the absolute best available manager on the planet.

Is now the right time to declare I too have spent some of my career in the Sales/Circulation departments of a large Newspaper Group? Twenty years ago now. True story. It all came to an abrupt end but that's what happens when you work with middle class women of a certain age. You try and cheer people up with the old "trouser elephant" routine but it only takes five or six of them to complain to spoil it for everyone.

In "full context" it reads like he is an arrogant, deluded cunt.

Indeed. Mark Hughes at his shittest (which is what he was with us) is still infinitely better than Russell Martin. When Russell Martin has taken 4 seperate clubs into the top 10 of the Premier League the fan club can come back to me.

One of the Martinettes on here (can't remember which one) absolutely adamant that Martin is better than Mark Hughes. Nope. Not on any level, not on any metric, not on any planet. Even Mark Hughes at his shittest (which was with us) he is better than Russell Martin.

With every passing game we've improved and improved and learnt and grown and improved and improved that in my mind there's no doubt now that we have everything in place to lose two or three nil.

Thanks for confirming that in your mind nothing will ever ever be Russell Martin's fault.

Only for you to spend the following season saying all the players are terrible and it's not Russell Martin's fault we're going down again. Triffic.

The new man will not keep us up, we are down. Russell Martin has ensured that before December even started. Quite the feat. If you think that preparing for next season is "crap" then thats yet another reason to get rid of Martin. Useless this season, him preparing for next season is "crap" so get rid. Next season we worry about another time. Glad we agree.

I know you can't even process the concept but maybe Russell Martin's replacement is, you know, better? Russell Martin is easily one of the worst Premier League managers of all time. So even if his replacement is utterly shit, he will still be delivering to the same standard Martin has achieved. You're making out sacking wonderful Russell will leave us in a sea of regret while we pine for the genius we've lost. Nope. He's appalling, once he goes we never need think of him ever again. Anyway, he'll be fine bEcAuSe hE'Ll gO tO sOmEoNe LiKe BaYeRn LiKE wHaT KoMpAnY dUN

Sheffield United sacked their manager on 5th December last year so yeah let's go with that. Top of the Championship now.

We weren't "in this position" last time. When Ralph was sacked he had secured 12 points from 14 games, so it was a perfectly plausible prospect that a decent replacement could go on and keep us up. Jones of course was not that. The situation we are in today is nothing like that. We are being managed by one of the very worst dogshit managers in Premier League history. Russell Martin has relegated us before the advent calendars come out. The next guy is not going to be here to magically keep us up - he won't, we're down already, so they will get patience and slack. We build for next season and as others have said, can we stave off the abject humiliation of Derby County's record.

"the third, fourth and fifth goals against us weren't the managers fault" is not the slam-dunk defence of Russell Martin you think it is.

Managed by a shit mid-table Championship level manager who lucked out with an expensively assembled squad last year.

They are your example not mine.

Bottom of the league with 5 points in December.

@Lighthouse has used Sheffield United as an example of a model club we should take learnings from. Last season they sacked their manager on December 5th 2023. As anyone with an advent calendar will know, December 5th is tomorrow. This is the moment and a moment everyone can agree on. The axe must fall.