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What does that black celebrity Britt Assombalonga know. I’d much rather listen to (assumption) middle class white man TWar and his cronies.

Silence is violence as per the banner.. stay silent and allow promotion of this vicious, violent organisation and violence will continue. You’d hope they’d stop soon, that being said, it’s been ongoing for a season and half now... The fact that they’ll just stop doing it before people’s perceived view of racism has ended (the fans being back and fear of the reaction would Be the real reason), that just goes to show how much of a token gesture it was.

Nope, that just doesn’t wash with me I’m afraid. BLM is BLM. BLM were the signs held aloft whilst looting and rioting. BLM signs were held aloft whilst shouting to defund the police. If your intentions have nothing to do with the political group called BLM distance your name from BLM.

Absolutely no pressure on footballers to take the knee. None at all.

Yeah those pesky Facebook memes.

The trouble with this is that the only way a fan can show their displeasure with the act is to boo. If a player disagrees, they can opt to remain standing. Given that the fans don’t take a knee with the players (as much as I expect some on this thread would like to), how else do you show you disagree?

Ahh I remember seeing this actually. In which case, I remove my previous comments and respond with good, she deserved it Although I do still mean what I said about Yanks with guns and their police being overly aggressive. although in this occasion it appears justified 👍🏻

At this point I don’t know if this is a trick question 😂 I try and avoid the news and social media as much as physically possible. On the face of that BLM page, I’d say of course they shouldn’t have shot her... To be honest, American policing is about as fucked up as you can get anyway to be honest. All of them on a power trip, far to quick to use violence. I’m sure there are some racists within American police forces as no doubt there are here to, but I don’t think in the main they’re racist, I just think they’re idiots. Assuming more to the story...

I know you want to be seen as king of the black people, but sorry, who the hell are you to tell a black man what is and isn’t good for racism? And before you say it, no I haven’t read the article, I’m sure I could dig out an article on why immigration is bad for the UK and reference as evidence. It doesn’t make it right.

Terrible, of course, and a demonstration of why Yanks can’t be trusted with fire arms. 0 relevance to the premier league or this country in general. And absolutely nothing in that article to suggest it was a racially aggravated act though.

Which is exactly the point in why players are indirectly forced to take the knee. ‘Agree or not, Do as we say or you’re part of the problem.’ Starting to see why people may oppose it now?

Don’t like it, then use the ignore button, buddy. Guess what, it’s a forum where people express their opinions. From the thread title, I’m sure you’re intelligent enough to say it’s pretty obvious what is being discussed, if you don’t want to see arguments and counter arguments, just scroll past it. But I’m glad my opinion has rattled you enough to suggest I should get a ban. TWar has probably posted just as much as I have in this thread, but you agree with him so it’s okay...

Silence those you disagree with? A bit facist, some might say.

BLM is only a household name because of the violence attached to the protests. Without that, it wouldn’t have had the ongoing media attention. No one has looted shops, torn down statues, attacked police etc. In the the name of ‘Kick it out’. I expect, given previous posts from you in this thread, you support that. Fair enough, I don’t. I’ll never support BLM. Not because I hate black people, but because of the actions taken (by mostly white people funny enough) in its name last summer and it’s obvious links to left wing politics. I’m not insecure enough to have the need to question my morality every day to ensure I’ve not woken up with some irrational hate of people of colour. And even if I wasn’t, would seeing token gestures change my opinion? Absolutely not. From your posts, I can tell that other than a love of saints, there is very limited we’d ever agree on. I suspect, you are what I would call ‘a woke hipster snowflake’. But we’re going to have agree to disagree on this one.

In fairness, other than a petty comment about booing from me (I’ll hold my hands up to that), going on a knee for 1 second is also pretty easy to ignore and wouldn’t have been mentioned or thought about, at all. Would wearing a ‘kick it out’ t-shirt before every game be any different? Handing out ‘kick it out’ t-shirts to fans before the game? Have kick it out sponsor on the back of every shirt? It’s all tokenism and the only way to combat racism is education. Taking a knee, is not educating anyone. What you are however still ignoring, is why they need to use a campaign which has links to (or as many see it having links to because of the name) a political organisation to make the point. If it was me and my campaign however innocent had any links to what many see as a bad organisation, I’d want to distance myself as much as possible. Not share the exact same name or carry out the same actions. Personally, the one campaign i seem to remember most, was the ‘racism just isn’t saintly’ (or something along those lines) from the early 00’s. The symbol was a white stick man shaking hands with a black stick man. That was something I could relate to. BLM and the violence and left wing politics seemingly attached to it, I cannot.

It really is Amazing that some people can’t see the fact people don’t have issues with anti racism campaigns (how many boo’d kick it out?), But people take issue with campaigns linked to violent, political groups, like BLM. Replace the knee and BLM with something else and people won’t have an issue, as they never did before.

I can’t see anyone spending £150m for either of them to be honest. Not in this market. Ings playing second fiddle to Cavani would be decent enough for them for a season, imo.

Possibly in title, but how effective / involved is he? For example, when Rohl was at the club, visually he was stood next to Ralph and you could tell he has an input. Id love to know what actually happened between the 2 of them.

“Marxism is the name for a set of political and economic ideas. The basic ideas are: The world is split into two classes (groups) of people. These are the workers and the rich. There is a class conflict.” BLM links to Marxism: https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/06/25/blm-co-founder-describes-herself-as-trained-marxist/amp/ Its not us saying it, it’s literally themselves. A black player, refusing to take the knee, because “BLM are a Marxist movement”, the filthy uneducated racist: https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.lbc.co.uk/news/footballer-lyle-taylor-says-blm-is-marxist-and-that-he-will-no-longer-take-the-k/

The poppy Grenade as actually been discussed on this thread already.

Given the second half of this season and our record against West Ham at their place, it’s very likely to be 3-0 defeat saints that turn up

Wipe those tears away buddy.

18 losses this season is the highest amount of losses in a season since 04/05 where we went down. Not sure what my point is, but that does show how poor this season has been.

You are correct and I guarantee I am not alone in that. You’re right, it’s pointless bickering, the knee is er.... pointless. It’s achieved nothing. Personally, I don’t believe that fans need to be challenged of their own overt racism before every game. We’ve already established that racism within football and society (excluding social media) is very rare. It’s just a symbol of modern day My issue with taking the knee isn’t because I hate black people, far from it (as the saying goes - I’ve many friends who are black). It’s to do with clear links BLM and BLM’s links to Marxism, statue and history removal, riots and violence. I also don’t believe the players have much choice other than to do it, which makes it a compete token gesture. Personally, I don’t want it shoved down my throat every single minute of every single day. BLM has thrown race relations back 30 years. Again, as you said it’s a pointless argument and only being highlighted as the first game with fans back, generally speaking, you just forget / don’t notice it happening. A Complete token gesture.

Assuming he’s a nazi? How do you know it isn’t Just a symbol of peace and good luck?