danjosaint

To be fair we should've beaten Brighton and Ipswich under RM, Palace and West ham yesterday so if we had any sort of game management we'd be 8pts better off

So if Welington isn't as good as Manning what really was the fucking point as Manning is fucking dreadful

What a horrible dislikeable team we are

Ramsdale Kwp Abk Thb Weli Les Aribo Dibling Fernandes Sule Paul Easy 3pts in the bag .......... maybe

My god smallbone is shit

Who would have thought a better formation that suits our shit players wouldn't forfeit the midfield, maybe if he tried it in other games we could've been more competitive,

Didn't he say and qouted something alongside of lines of keepers shouldn't be playing out from the back

Thing is as a rule you can't get fitter through the season so pre season means everything. The championship we were at fitness levels that were good for the championship, the problem lies we were totally under prepared fitness wise and squad wise and probably a little bit arrogant blasé about how good certain people thought we were based on our possession stats. Jurics issue is not so much fitness but the shambolic formation and tactics and people running around like headless chickens expending there energy unwisely because there not actually sure where there positioning is with the ball and without, I was hoping Ivan would succeed as I thought we needed a bit old school disaplinarin but I guess hearing noises around he'd too much, and going from one matey way of managing to his is probably too extreme, **** knows where we go next but a massive reboot is needed including manager, probably 10 players going and perhaps another football man upstairs

Juric in ring celebrating with ryan garner....maybe he'll play him cb

For me the concerning thing about Ivans tactics is not only is a shit formation for the EPL but whatever they are discussing and trying out with players in and out of possession. Last night I actually watched player movement as opposed to game in general and it was bizarre. I get the basis without the ball we fall into a 5 and with the ball we push full backs on, or a cb will step into midfield.what is baffling is there is literally no shape or cohesion. You have Aribo playing lcb but in 2nd half he broke away as the left winger and low and behold it was Bree i think on the edge of there box, smallbone had filled in at cb, the amount of times certain cbs were the furthest forward, hence when Downes got caught out for 2nd the cb was ahead of him and downes was on his own trying to recover. Our cbs where everywhere except in a solid shape, no wonder we get cut open through the middle several times a game, then chasing game we change to a false 9, really really bonkers, I'm not sure if it's down to this alleged multi man marking he prefers and they decide pre game who's marking who but yes the players are crap but you can understand why nobody seems to know where they're supposed to be positioned and it's a disorganised mashed up mess. It's so embarrassing watching Aribo and Smallbone a yard behind play trying to grab players like kids football. I liked what Ivan had to say at the start but my God how we found such an awful tactician is beyond me

Dreadful, at least Ivans learning.......

^^ best we can hope for

By all accounts yes, during the game something happened can't remember if it was a cock up by our player or ref but he could be seen mouthing and gesticulating that had put him out the door

Wood really isn't very good just another of Martin's mates

That's not what I said tho is it