Fabrice29

Well it's better to paint Salisu as the bad guy rather than anyone at the club. Also ends any questioning as to why he's not in the squad. Maybe it's true that they've decided they don't like him looking for a way out but why then replace him in the squad with someone who is doing the same? Or maybe it's something else? Maybe a fall out with the manager who hasn't picked him since he's been in charge? Who knows. And I wouldn't worry about transfer fee's, it's all PR management, people in football will know the truth and won't worry about stuff leaked to the press.

He's not the only one who has a move lined up and not the only one with a contract running out so I would hazard at guess at the reasoning leaked to the media is a convenient one rather than the truth.

Southampton didn't know what they wanted but Marsch pulled out when he was told what they wanted. Cheers for the insight Jimmy.

Which would be somewhat comparable if Bowen hadn't scored his 16 goals by January when he was sold and also hadn't come off two other seasons in the Championship scoring 14 and 22.

Why are people so concerned about how others watch football?

Cannot believe anyone is angry about that today. Plenty to be annoyed about this season but you should have given your emotions a day off today. Anything we got was a bonus and getting worked up about being beat by City doesn't do anyone any good.

Weren't you on here the other day complaining that Nathan Jones hadn't done anything to deserve the job? Listen to yourself you daft git.

Ties to the club 😂 He hardly loved the place when here ffs. Literally has talked about being under appreciated as a person throughout his playing career and using it to inspire him as a manger. He isn’t taking our club in the Championship.

The goals don’t just transfer over you know. He’s got to get himself in the team, the team has to be set up to suit him and give him chances and then he’s got to take them again. I repeat, what happens if he doesn’t start well? Confidence shot to pieces and he’s still itching for a move at the end of August. All assuming we go down and he wants to move of course. And we aren’t getting much more than 15m fwiw. Take a moment to think how pissed off you would be if we spent 15 million one a guy who scored less goals than Che and Armstrong in the Championship.

Intrigued to hear what this includes… I thought the whole point of us wanting new owners was because the previous one wasn’t building anything over the years he was here?

Edozie is 4 years younger than Tella and yet they’ve probably performed as well as each other at the top level. Edozie is also considered one of his countries best players of his age group and playing for England accordingly. He’s also started a Charity Shield match for one of the best sides in the country. Tella as far as I’m aware was not considered at that level. I don’t think comparing them is particularly fair, but if you’re going to do it, at least do it properly.

And if he doesn’t score in the first 3-5 games for us, then what? Dropped, and deemed not good enough, value gone, out on loan again? The lads put himself in a high status at Burnley so unless he wants to stay we should be taking the money. He’s not a rare player or a goal machine we can’t afford to lose. Clearly talented and if he wants to make it here then great but if not then 10-15 million feels fine and reinvestable.

That’s a hell of a leap and a weird barometer to judge a player by. Although not as weird as all the comparisons to other players and their values in this thread. I’m sure they’ll be unfairly used as a stick to have a pop at the owners though when he’s sold for 10-15 million. Don’t really see the point of him staying at us, can only be a lose lose situation for him personally because there’s a slim chance he becomes the cult hero he is at Burnley so take the move and opportunity when you can. Don’t think it’s a massive loss for us either. Players like him are not rare, it’s the opportunity and patience and shown that’s the rare thing and he’s taken advantage of a good situation at Burnley. Fair play but no big loss to us if/when he goes. Wouldn’t begrudge him forcing that move through at all.

We won all 3 games that week including one before the City game. There was no sudden impulse to change tactics or reverting of game plans but shock horror a game in the middle of the week and between 2 others including one against relegation rivals a couple of days later did involve some change of personnel and even more of a shock a game against one of the best sides in country meant we had a different plan to the ones against Palace and Everton. But yeah, some weird conspiracy theory that for a reason nobody has explained yet, Jones thought ‘ah go on Ruben, I’ve just picked up my first win and we have a massive game at the weekend, but you take charge of this one fella.’ probably feels much more logical.

Experience and lack of experience isn't something I would particularly judge people on so no, I'd have no issue with it specifically.

Meghoma is going to be some player, thought he was the stand out Saints player yesterday. Lots of the others were bullied and that can happen at this level so no shame in that especially as I thought technically at times Saints looked the more comfortable on the ball. Reckon there will be more out of that Saints team making it than the West Ham team in a few years but tough match up against one of the strongest youth teams in the country right now.

Not a tournament fwiw.

I didn't say anything about having little confidence in them and their selections fwiw.

Have I missed all the experienced/proven signings the club have made since SR came here then? Literally almost every appointment and signing they have made have been untried.

Think his ridiculously good job at Luton was probably just slightly ahead of his religious beliefs in reasons to employ him. This tweet is slightly disingenuous to be fair. It was explained at the time that the owner and manager did the recruitment (manager stating what qualities he wanted and owner finding those players) because they had unexpectedly lost their head of recruitment and would be a January only thing. So no, it shouldn't be an owner/manager decision making process going forward.

Yes because everything we know about Nathan Jones tells us he would happily sit back and let an assistant he's never worked with before take control of the team set up on his first meeting with one of the greatest managers of all time. He was a passive, let others take control type of person wasn't he? Utterly moronic if you believe that tosh.

The reason for this is fairly obvious isn’t it? They’re new to the league and have shown themselves to tire very quickly when starting games (Wolves a massive example of this) so they have to be managed and their output has to be maximised in smaller sections of the game. Starting with them and not leading after an hour would leave us with needing to find goals at the end of the game with less productive players on the pitch. Think Selles has made the calculation he’d rather stay in the game and attack it at the end than be in a position of being incapable of attacking it when needing to. The starting 11 chat/importance is massively over done with fans. Especially when the squad really is much of a muchness in terms of actual output. Almost every single combination has played at some stage this season and guess what? They’ve all looked pretty clueless for most of it. There’s no magic formula so I’ve no issue with Selles trying to maximise our chances by breaking the game up into sections and targeting the parts of the game he thinks is best.

Continues to amaze me people still hope/expect anything different in games like this. These are not the games we are going to get points in and certainly not ones that will give performances to be hopeful about. We are a team which until January was specifically recruited for a manager who prioritised off the ball qualities for 4 years. January also didn’t address that issue, instead focusing on physicality over creativity (Maybe Alcarez aside at a push). We have been incapable of breaking down teams who set up to defend first all season (apart from set pieces) so just hope to god the majority of fixtures we have left will be up against teams who have to be proactive against us and offer us chances to play our best form of game.

This thread should be pinned at the top of the board so everyone can refer to it when wondering about the credibility of a poster. Delusion of the highest order from many.

3 fan myths that need dispelling... 1) We have a strongest 11 2) You can and should play the strongest 11 from the start, including 3 times in a week. 3) Winnable games on paper.