Fabrice29

Except for the time they all challenged for promotion and finished in the top 6 last year of course.

I know this place is weirdly obsessed with our manager not being friends with the players and not giving days off but the thing we will have to do is galvanise a beaten up squad again and get them fully invested and alongside the manager. Rohl has proven experience of doing that so it’s a good move for me.

They should just change team names to managers names then. The league table would be much more reflective of your reality.

As pointed out above Poch, Koeman and Ralph joined us in PL. What proven success did Poch have out of interest and why do you rate "a European league" ahead of The Championship? Did Jurics success in a European league satisfy you? Secondly, why do you believe Rohls results at Sheffield Wednesday are his limit and the only thing you can judge him on? Do you believe results are the only barometer of whether a manager is good or not? Is there no room for context like expectation etc or are you really saying the only way to judge a manager is "where are they in a league now? 13th, not good enough". In which case, I go back to the proven success Poch had that satisfied you so much.

Rohl a good appointment from a man management point of view if all vibes are that’s he’s good with his players are true. Not convinced his style of football is successful in the championship tbh but probably suits the PL better so I’d be quite happy to see us go that route. Will really need a physical goal scorer to get us out of the Championship though.

Sorry but I’m led to believe tactical changes and players not being friendly with you are good things actually.

Danny Rohl has experience of being part of a management team that has kept Southampton up in the PL, which is exactly the experience you want.

Rohl has shown himself to be part of at least two managerial teams that have galvanised a low in confidence squad both here with Ralph and at Sheffield Wednesday himself. That's a pretty good starting basis for our next managerial appointment for me. It's exactly what we got right last year appointing Martin and we will need to do again next season. No issues with his record at Sheffield Wednesday. The idea that your qualities as a manager are judged ONLY on how your team is performing in a league is strange and doesn't cater for any context. I'm not convinced his football style is particularly great though but that's subjective and it appears to fit with our new technical director so makes sense on that level. It's interesting you phrase this comment above negatively though, RM got us promoted, so yeah I'm advocating we get someone in who will produce that again.

It's a perfectly reasonable post tbh. The desire from some to get rid of owners who seem intent on investing and have shown themselves to listen to fans with at least two managerial sackings now has always baffled me a bit. Obviously they have to make some serious improvements in regards to recruitment and who they put in charge of that though.

Sat here looking at Plymouths position in the Championship and thinking we probably do have a similar shape, tactic and basic desire by the looks of it.

I think the post I quoted in the previous page sums up nicely the point I was making.

There is a whole Martin thread full of people blaming him for our season. I’ve posted one of many posts in my previous post and there’s a couple on this page who are still blaming him now.

Yeah that’s what I think, in the pl especially the spines of team are physical monsters. Baleba the other day just dwarfed the rest of our squad. No issues with the style of play we had for me personally but we never supplemented it physically to compete in this league. Attack is the most obvious for me though, played all last season without Onuachu and this year instead of recruiting technically good strikers with physical prowess (after Adams left and Delap turned us down who did we go for of similar attributes?) we’ve just ended back where we were 2 years ago.

Yeah see at no point did I say Martin did no wrong or am I trying to rewrite history (like for example people who insist last season wasn’t a success), I’m merely pointing out that it was quite obvious not everything was one man’s fault, not everything would change if that one man left and then if we do decide those two things were true then we probably need to settle on a way of doing things before changing to another way again. If you want to talk about specifics of fitness then go speak to the sport science guys at the club to find out the facts. I have no real issues with the fitness of our players but do have serious concerns over the physical attributes of our squad. Which are two different things but do often get merged by some. It’s much easier to shout about one man and his crusade to give days off than actually try to work out why over two PL seasons and 5 managers a core group of players continue to be out of their depth, so bravo.

The apathy is definitely the worst bit. We’ve come into this season with a worse attack than last season and okay fine it’s taken a few months to realise that but when it comes to January, season over or not, the club should be going all out for someone to score some goals and it doesn’t appear to have happened. We’re 2 years on from a season in which we realised that the January signings of Sulemana and Onuachu weren’t good enough and yet here we are back with them starting again. It’s piss poor. It also makes me laugh people were convinced that was the right thing to do in January forgetting they would have to sit through another 4 months of football and ‘why has he picked that 11!?!” talk.

Probably wouldn’t check Abk’s and Alcaraz’s records away from ‘Russ’ since being fucked by him if I were you.

Honestly can’t stress enough how utterly deluded you are if you are talking about tactics or different combinations of players as if they will make a difference and it’s so incredibly obvious to everyone except the manager. Take Joe Aribo for example, we’ve been in the PL 2 seasons and he came here as an attacking midfielder and is now playing at the back. If you think we haven’t tried every single combination in between you are seriously deluded. The ‘try something different and be adaptable ’ brigade need to reign it in too. People like to be romantic about RH’s time here so let’s remember that he was pretty stubborn/steadfast/arrogant whatever you want to call it in how he wanted to play. He created a play book ffs. And guess what, it was fairly successful. Until obviously when we got relegated and we flipped between 3 managers. Only then getting success again when we went back to an arrogant/stubborn manager who was pretty unwavering in his desire to do certain things. It’s almost as if having a plan, a long term goal is a good thing and not just flipping between potentially 3 different ways of playing again like we might this season. We 100% should have doubled down on a style, even if everyone was adamant Martin had to go we should have continued to stick with that way. OR if we really did think changing the style was the answer then we should be doubling down on that again now. Drumming it into players that this is how it’s going to be so they will need to get on board. Setting out a plan. I’m pretty sure that’s what the technical directors job and message will be, to drum that home, so just like when everyone hated the previous manager, now is the time to stay true to the long term plan, not jump to Rusk again so we can play a different way for a few weeks for no real benefit. But, my biggest issue with SR is it seems pretty eager to play to the crowd when things go shit so I would not be shocked to see them do exactly that again.

Except that’s not true. There was a very good post on here somewhere a day or so ago explaining all the things we’ve tried doing differently. What you actually mean is why didn’t we defend on the edge of the box and try to luck out with a draw which is all well and good but in the very example you’ve given we lost by exactly the same way we did when Martin applied his different method.

Saw us play quite well against a better Liverpool just one month prior to that under Martin though.

The above post had such hope and summed up the mood on here that one person was such a big problem that was weighing everyone else down. The anger and disappointment was so focused on the manager at the time that anyone suggesting that it might not all be one persons fault was shouted down and scoffed at if they even suggested that changing the manager wouldn’t really change anything other than piss off the players. Maybe if you’re angry at the manager just check if you were one of the few that laughed at the below post just a few months ago.

What you mean is why cant the manager actually do something that get results isn't it? We've flip flopped between various different people trying different things over the last 5 managers and nobody actually wants that either it seems.

It's lovely you've provided the definition of shots on target but its not really relevant to the point Give it Ron was making about shots. And fwiw we had more shots, shots on target, shots off target and 1 less shot blocked in the Spurs game than yesterday. I'd argue we were defensively worse yesterday by any shot based definition you wish to talk about too but that goes against the "Martin is the worst ever and everything he did was terrible and we definitely will improve if Martin isn't in charge" narrative you seem to enjoy so much.

Along with your recent post about not believing in XG like it's a conspiracy theory, I slightly worry you actually believe this.

We had more shots against Spurs than we did yesterday by the way.

Yeah we got promoted mate.