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The big clubs especially will have teams of analysts studying penalty data in enormous detail. Quite simply, players wouldn’t be doing it if it didn’t work.

John Turner interview Unfortunately behind a pay wall and I'm not subscribed. But going by the introduction the news doesn't seem too good.

I expect some players will be disappointed when they found out how weak our defence was appealing this spying accusation. I hope the club compensates them otherwise we will be getting a few requests to leave the club.

Thanks for the squad and transfer news Christophe! While it was a poor season, it’s interesting to note the number of first team/ regular league players who have now left the club. Koem; Coeff; Boissier and Appuah. All of these were better than the alternatives in the squad. Appuah, in particular, looked to be the one who would improve with experience, and support. El Hadary and Baghdadi had fewer appearances, but were often first choice players, while Takaoka had quite a few sub appearances. All three of these were young players, and a lot was put on them to create in a stuttering attacking side. VA will no doubt be looking to bring in stronger creative players this season, preferably with a bit of experience behind them. Of those in the perhaps not staying group are:- Bryan Passi and Ahmed Diomandé. Both with contracts ending 2026?. Passi came in during the window, and was growing stronger towards the end of the season. Often the most dangerous from attacking set pieces too. One VA would want to keep hold of. Coming in are Zogba, who finished 10 points ahead of VA this season; Ekra, who is stepping up a division and Lebouath, who has some sub appearances in the league above with Pau. So, next season looks something like this so far (no doubt with errors to be corrected):- GK Jean Louchet; Justin Lacombe DR Derrick Abu; Salif Lebouath (MR); ?Erin Airhiavbere? DL Abdelwahed Wahib DC Loïck Landre; ?Nolann Bourichon (Youth)? DC Maël Zogba; ?Sakhalou Niakaté (DR)? MC Mabrouk Rouaï; Quentin Daubin; ?Joel Ngoya? MC Samir Belloumou ; ?Thibault Maréchal?; ?Kaïs Lesueur (Youth)? AML Alain Ipiélé (MR) AMR Rayane Ekra AM Daou Kader Diomandé; ?Ben Osman? FC Gaëtan Courtet; Kylian Kouakou (Youth); ?Marks Inchaud? FC Charles Abi; ?Célestin Nyemb? VA could do worse than re-signing Passi. Niakate and Nyemb and Maréchal are options too, with some potential. Perhaps it’s time for Courtet to take on a supporting role, behind Abi/Nyemb where he’d also be able to bring in the wider players too.

This is what frustrates and angers me, the efl has timeframe rules in place for the disciplinirary and appeals process, they seem to have ridden roughshod over this in our case. What was it 24hrs for us to prepare our appeal? Did we appeal the timeline we had? Or did the efl have some contingency to allow them to expedite the process? Also there is the question of the panel's independence and the undue external noise potentially influencing the outcome. The entire process seemed questionable in its veracity. Well its done now and we must move on but it rankles.

@Fitzhugh Fella interesting posts. My main criticism of Parsons is the legal defence he put together, I honestly think Mr Bean could have done a better job, the “independent” panel was clearly not independent but never challenged, we allowed the EFL to push us around and ignore legal timescales we should get to defend charges and it’s all well & good getting Lord Pannick involved at the 12 hour but the damage was done. Man City have got away with murder because of their legals, Chelsea & Everton all dealt with lightly too, PP keeps banging on about we have dealt with “disproportionately”, let’s have it right we were dealt a rough hand because everyone else had a competent legal defence, we didn’t. And the blame for that I am afraid totally rests with the CEO

He thought he had a coherent idea of how to keep Saints out of administration.

So where was Garner working before he came to Saints? I remember reading that these analysts tend to move around a bit between clubs and have their own ‘community’. Did he have a stint at Boro by any chance? 🤔😏

Get help you mentalist.

The panel members had been appointed before Parson’s stupidity = kangaroo court. Everything else I’ve pointed out is fact. Why do you insist Steve Gibson is some fucking angel with nothing to answer for? Why be his apologist? Why do you find a debate on a football forum alarming? We’re all waiting here and concerned… 😂

It's not a kangaroo court if you have already pleaded guilty and co-operated entirely with the investigation. I think some if you people have gone fucking batshit mental about Steve Gibson and it is quite frankly alarming. Please, get help.

Good summary, Fuller can bat and still quite a few mph quicker with the ball than Wood. Better fielder as well given Chris’s knees are held together with sellotape. Baker might well get smashed round but is learning to adapt with different deliveries and angles.

What are odds on FIFA ensuring it’s not an England vs Scotland final?! 😉🤭

Do you know what you’re probably right. Gibbo had already done enough to set-up his people on the EFL board and kangaroo court AND ensured that he’d gained the popular support of the media by releasing everything he had and demanding the punishment that he deemed fit. Parsons just sealed the casket shut for him.

Now hold on , those of us of a tartan persuasion fully intend partying on. It probably won't be a long party, but it's taken us a while to get there. So sod Trump, don't let him ruin the beautiful game.

Le Tiss, Lambert etc. They step up for a pen, you have complete confidence in it being converted.

I couldn’t agree more. I can’t find an ounce of enthusiasm for this World Cup. Everything Trump touches turns to shit.

But even if clubs make their facilities more private there are ways of spying so it’s right that there is a rule.

You shouldn't get drunk on red wine but I do anyway. I sleep better and it's always fun to see the black shits in the toilet the next day. Similar to Guinness shits but not as bad as the own brand alcopops that Blu Bambu in Newcastle used to do to me, proper green Swan shit that was.

Classless

Brexit made the debt much worse.

You've done it now, Spence to score the winner in the World Cup final.

Arsenal played it exactly how people expected they'd play it, they just got lucky that they scored first. PSG have had better games though. Doesn't matter though, the trophy is all that matters whether you're Arsenal, Palace, Villa or, erm, Hull. 😝

And a Panenka. Just pick a spot and thump it. If the keeper saves it then they save it. Rickie was my favourite penalty taker.

Absolutely fabulous time in Berlin. What an amazing place it is. Was so easy to get around with brilliant public transport. I would recommend it to anyone. We got upgraded to a suit and the room was more like an apartment. Also we could not get the aircon working, thought it was us, but they agreed and threw in free breakfast every morning as well as the mini bar! Been on 2 bus tours and a boat tour. A Third Reich walking tour and the eye opening and mentally draining Topography of Terror. Went up the telecom tower to see the panoramic view of the city. finished off the trip with Metallica at the Olympiastadion. Went to a Mexican, a steak house and and Indian restaurant for food and it was spot on. Had some fantastic ice cream as well. It has been great, one more night and an easy one tomorrow before the flights back tomorrow night. Thanks for all your info it was really good and valuable. Did not do the sex club… Mrs Dr.Who? Was not up for it!