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You missed out the main cause of today's defeat which was Tonda's decision to play Dobbin on the left wing with Leo wandering about between Larin and the midfield thus leaving a huge hole which Watford proceeded to exploit. We normally look compact but not playing that system which was a disaster.

Not buying this pre seasons take. If we had a below par pre season, what on earth did Watford have? They were out of puff from about 55min. Reality is that they put a colossal amount into pressing the hell out of us first half, got rewards from stephens and manning, and then parked the bus and couldn't live with us 2nd half. Sadly we missed Stewart.

Possibly because the strip didn’t draw comparison with them. The first blue away kit I remember (1980) from the Keegan era was in a design that at the time was unique to us with the front and rear panels. It was also navy and sky blue, not the Skates shade. An epic kit, must be due for a rerun.

Although I don’t think he was beating the door down to leave, he did have an ambition to get back in the England frame,so for that I think he was keen to go. But he handled the thing well it seems with little fuss.

given we probably "observed" lots of other training sessions last season, I wonder if Tonda is about to get found out? Hope not, but no doubt this will be a talking point on Sky if we just flatline over the next few games.

Surely not. There must be some assuredly but it's nigh on 60 years ago for most I suppose.

Dwindling group? I am sure that those of us who were in the chocolate boxes are all still season ticket holders and a bit more stoic and less reactionary

Where has all this nonsense come from about having a blue kit? We have had plenty over the years, many being the 2nd kit This was the worst/kind of iconic

You are right, thinking about it, the two shades of blue half and half was one of our best ever shirts, had a good team to wear it too. Nobody accused us if looking like the Skates at all if I remember correctly. Old guard? Those from the Milton who started out in the chocolate boxes probably, those who watched us when we were among the best. Must be a dwindling group nowadays.

Oh yeah Tella and Prowsey still with us

I still think we should look into the possibility of getting James McAtee on loan from forest............apparently was very good when playing on loan at Sheff U.............unless Glasner sees him as a ready made replacement for Anderson...............

He left us as we had to sell

4 wins in last 27 years according to fitz

Pot

I think it was lore the fact we needed him off the payroll than him desperately trying to leave

Sheffield Wednesday under Martin.

Oh yeah good knowledge. It is bizarre that across many different managers and squads over the years with various different opponents, squads, transfer rumours etc that we are consistently fkin wank when the season starts. Incredible, and I can’t even blame anyone other than myself for thinking today was gonna be different! Oh well, we’ll smash Stoke on Saturday, I’m almost sure

Doubt his Accountant,Bank Manager, or wife have given him any grief on the matter.

how ironic that JWP leaves us to avoid playing in the Championship, to spend 3 miserable years in the PL, just to find himself back playing in the Championship.

but controlling the game and making 15 passes go 10 foot, and nothing to show, dosent mean we controlled the game when we were 2 nil down............disappointing yes, but things will improve I'm sure,just think there are going to be 1 or 2 more significant comings and goings yet before the transfers are all done...........

I really struggle to see how he fits in our squad tbh. Hes not a target man, he’s not that pacey. He doesn’t appear to have the touch/guile of a 10 So far he reminds me of Archer but without the shooting ability. Hope he settles down and it works out, but I think it’s a weird signing.

West Brom away , last minute penalty under Poch. Colin Clarke hatrick in 1986 v QPR. I think that was first game of the season. And his home debut. Also, and it might pre-date your interest but we beat West Brom 4-0 at The Dell in 1976.

It's unbelievable how salty Karen FC are still. Pathetic!

hey we've only got to make top 8 this season...................

Battered Leeds 3-1 in Adkins promotion season (one of the best displays we’ve ever put in let alone on first day of season) and scraped a 0-1 at Coventry, Ostenstad scored. Think that’s it apart from the Wham and Wrexham ones you referenced above. IN. MY. LIFE.