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Peretz, Jander and Larin all in training

I think the guy is a total fraud but I guess if clubs keep employing him and paying him lots of money he will feel vindicated and continue to do what he's doing.

Appreciate the share on that one 23rd! Simon Jordan has by and large spoke a lot of sense over the whole thing - i think more than perhaps anyone else - and he largely stepped outside of the orchestrate media campaign that was whipped up against saints.

Yep, but don't agree with him saying that we were spying on an industrial scale though.

Poor deluded naive fool. À description equally applicable to Martin and to the fan who requested he might try playing a different way like there’s actually a chance of it happening.

I think the Media and all of these pundits and AI generated click bait on YouTUbe are forgetting one thing. Southampton isn't guilty of spying. They are guilty of spying within the 72 hour window. It is perfectly legal to do it outside the 72 hour window, and in the Premiership, and in Germany and Italy. "Man Caught Speeding on the M27" is a better headline than "Man Caught doing 54 MPH on the M27 when a speed reduction was in force to 50 mph" Doesn't quite cut the same impact.

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The Sun and Mail journalists on SSN last night back pages thing both agreed that punishment was suitable. Imagine if they had those couple of cunts Burt and Winter?

Yeah, the number of appearances is irrelevant. Of all the people who could have sat on the panel, there were any number with no prior connection to either club who would have been a better choice.

Not sure this is true - didn't the independent panel come to their own conclusion of a fair and just punishment? I don't think they actually reduced the FAs proposed length of ban.

Decent from Jordan again TBH. One of the few in the media that seems to have a sensible head on things regarding Tonda’s punishment.

It seems that when the Spying was announced, a lot of teams, pundits, talking heads and especially the media were clutching their pearls and saying, quite rightly, that this was a despicable act. When we were thrown out of the Playoff, and LARGE PROPORTION came out and said the punishment was harsh, some even saying it was TOO harsh and didn't fit the crime. So Niel Harris was full of shit. Now we wait to see what their opinion of Tonda's punishment is.

and doubtless made friends there. IF it was that long ago ? ..Boro were likely still at Ayresome Park?..

Just to be clear, Simon Jordan isn't a friend of ours (he's a professional contrarian who clearly hasn't read the full findings) but this is interesting regardless. Interesting bits about his mate Gibbo:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c689zxd8w87lo Horrible.

Everyone that follow Saints must be so pumped up about this game. Come on Saints!

It wasn't a whim. It was on an incident of breaking their rules to which we admitted. Which is exactly why instead of opening up a legal challenge, we've resorted to little digs in statements instead. Hth.

I think, based on his comments about the EFL and his Video that Dragan is fuming and wants to go to war and get us out of the Championship and away from them. I think the signing of Laren and Peretz was a and new deals all round was a statement of intent. Also, if i were him and Tonde I would now apply "malicious compliance". Use the attitude “You've punished us for breaking the rules, so from now on we'll follow every rule to the letter and make sure everyone else does too.” To the point of scrutinising EVERYTHING. And grassing them up. For me with respect the Middlesborough and certian others I would use "Weaponised Compliance" Is Middlesborough breaching rules by commenting in the media on Tondes fine? Grass them up. "Hi, FA? This is Tonde here. I have to be squeaky clean of course, I have learnt my lesson and I am learning the Rules. But in doing so, I think Middlesborough have breached FA Rule E3.1 which says: The rule prohibits conduct that is improper, insulting, abusive or brings the game into disrepute. It can apply to statements made by clubs, managers and other football participants. I think their comments on my fall into that. The FA has previously charged managers for inappropriate media comments under this rule. Sorry If I've got this wrong, I just happen to see it in my copy of FA Rules. " I would have refs counting players, I'd be ringing up to complain of Improper media comments(FA E3.1), Accusations against referees alleging bias or dishonesty without adequate grounds, (FA E3.1) Touchline misconduct (FA E3.1 / E20), Supporter misconduct (FA E21), Club officials' misconduct (FA E20) Discriminatory conduct (FA E3.2). We did wrong. Tonde did wrong. We bin punished. We are owning it. I'm not saying I have done this in my Civils career, and I'm not saying I haven't. But my company has received sanctions for something everyone does, and I've applied a Scorched Earth policy against others. That is where I get the above expressions from. CRY HAVOK, AND LET SLIP THE DOGS OF (FOOTBALL)!!! (To paraphrase Julius Caesar, Act 3, Scene 1) And lets get out of this league.

One group of unsung heroes in all this are the Saints fans that came out in those first few days to stand by Tonda and to gradually shift fan opinion back to rationality in the face of an almighty media war and orchestrated gas-lighting campaign that even had the club's media calling for Eckert to be sacked and grovelling before all and sundry (Blackmore ). A silver lining within all this is that the whole thing has managed to unify the fanbase and bring the club together - which will hopefully see us promoted with something like the core group and momentum (dare i say curve) of the Adkins era side.

Yep, there was zero "orchestration", based on the independent FA panel's conclusions. i.e. Completely the opposite of the prevailing media narrative over the last 5 months, and counting...

What does Dragan or the clubs reaction have to do with Tonda's personal hearing? The club lost their bit resoundingly and so are rightly still fucked off about it.

All these journos and pundits like McAnuff have they actually read details of the report or just going with "no ban, got away with it" narrative. As a lot of them still going with the fact he orchestrated it all which is not the vibe that the FA commission gives.

Whether they would have exercised bias or not (either consciously or subconsciously) is a moot point... The point is, if you have, say, 100 people to choose from, 99 of which have zero connection with the clubs involved, you don't choose the 1 person that does, no matter how tenous.

I'm sure I would be privately but given the appeal commission reduced the FAs ban which the FA could still appeal based on Tonda's remorse and regret it makes me nervous when Dragan comes out with this stuff at this point, seems reckless to me, but fair play he got it right backing Tonda

"Spying plan" 😂 #buffoon