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Not welcome, we dont want this happening, esp with Hoddle.

Because Wood is not at Stephens level. And that's not a positive endorsement of Stephens btw.

Never said it was. Good work arguing against a point someone hasn't made (again). To help you - if a defender is watching a winger run unopposed into the box to shoot I would expect the captain to be shouting at them to go out and meet them. If that defender is the captain it doesn't work too well.

How does that help? Leadership isn't shouting

If only Morocco had those leaflets for British migrants... https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-16064581/Missing-British-gold-medal-winning-sprinter-Moroccan-prison-sexually-assaulting-minor.html

Disagree completely - the drop off in our defensive quality when Wood came in for him when he got injured was clear as day. Not sure we kept a single clean sheet and think we trailed in almost every game at one point.

I think Stephens has always had those kind of mistakes in him. It's why he needs to be playing with vocal players who are going to shout at him. The no look punt for their first goal and failure to pressure the winger for the second were things we've seen before (and will see again). He also struggles against big physical attackers which played into Watford's gameplan of sitting back and hitting us on the break. That being said, when paired with someone who'll push him he's competent. I don't think he's captain material because he's not a leader on the pitch. Leaders don't switch off and ball watch. Would much rather Peretz got the armband.

OK mate, I'll let you know on this thread.

Going back to illegal immigration, I think laws/tests need to be updated to be more stringent, but also we need to be able to apply from overseas, and have a good reason for applying to the UK. They need to make it clear that asylum seekers who come over via illegal channels will not be allowed to claim asylum. They will be held and sent back to country of origin.

Being a bit "Paul Telfer"

Nah, you can't really have someone who doesn't play. That probably rules out Fellows as well.

What shall be the criteria, cock ups, doing fuck all , bad attitude, head elsewhere ?

Thought it was still Downs

Ok let me know when you’ve got it and I’ll buy it. Thanks

"we do this all the time." No we don't. Cretins on social media like Facebook or Twitter might post some stupid comments but that's no different from every other club in the country.

We probably need a poll on this years whipping boy because at the moment, collectively, we're all over the place. I've seen some blaming Dobbin, some Bragg and others Stephens. I didn't see the Watford game so it's hard for me to judge but I don't want to go Saturday and find myself booing the wrong player.

Had forgotten what our fans can be like tbh. 1 defeat and we seem to be going straight back to digging out certain players and hyper focusing any negative facet of their games, social media posts on turning St Mary's toxic if we lose to stoke, and calls for the manger to be sacked. Utterly mental - think some people are forgetting just how bad the atmosphere was at St Mary's for multiple seasons - put spy gate to one side, and we've had a fantastic 2026 - all the fans need to stick behind the team and make sure we don't let go of the atmosphere last season created... We surely didn't stick with tonda just to throw everything in the bin after a poor 45min in the opening game 🤦‍♂️

They're the same who wrote off Mane straight away. And Pelle. And a miriad of other players over the years.

I mean, apart from the guys who have said "waste of fking money", "Dobbin was awful recruitment", "Don't like Dobbin, fast but so what" yeah, no ones written him off. That's just from this forum btw, twitter and had been even more rife tbf.

He wasn't outstanding at all, he just made fewer mess ups...

It's funny he has one bad game and the knives all come out for sharpening. He was outstanding in our final half of the season earlier in the year but that quickly gets forgotten.

Bragg did't have a great game but he wasn't all bad - he did set up Larin's goal. His passing was off and he seemed to lack a bit of physicality. But then that was true of most of the team. They just didn't seem to be at it for some reason. I blame poor pre-season for that. I am more than happy for Bragg to be one of our CM/DMs and he will have more good games than bad. But I do think we need to replace Charles (another 8 to cover Jander) and add another midfielder who is a bit more defensive and physical. There are going be games when Downes is injured or suspended and relying on Jander (if he is still here) and Bragg would make us look a bit lighweight in the middle. Maybe we will get lucky and replace Charles with someone like him who could play 6, 8 and 10 but I doubt it.

THB could have a better partner if we gave him Anel. Shame we're set to lose out on him and now all we have to offer is Jack. Unless we take Jack off and give him Wood.

Stephens almost shepherding him from the halfway line without ever looking like making a challenge didn’t help matters.

Both were bad first half. My main problem 2nd half was that with exception of the goal neither wanted anything to do with running with the ball that the likes of Charles offered. Both wanted to the DM recycler and Downes stood out defensively.