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Surely heads start rolling soon..

'They' being the EFL. I was talking about the FA... A completely separate body to the EFL, with their own rulebook. The fact that the EFL have a new rule for this misdemeanor shouldn't be a consideration for the FA. They should be looking at it through the same prism they did for Bielsa / Leeds. Edit: anyway, looks like we'll probably sack him before the FA get their pound of flesh, so a moot discussion anyway... Plus I've had far too many beers this evening... Hic

West Ham signed Tevez and Mascherano, kept them up by three points ahead of Sheffield United, £5.5m fine. Liverpool and a host of other clubs have also received sanctions for their academy player dealings: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39508491 Most of the Premier League, and Birmingham have sold their women's teams to themselves to bypass PSR rules.

Le Pew?

Home?

We get a manager who can galvanise us into a genuinely excellent to watch, enjoyable side with form to match those who won the league. He is also a cheating tw@t. I feel conflicted. But, ultimately, he has caused more harm to us long term then anything we could have gained short term. Just go Tonda. The worst thing, he probably didn't need to be the big cheating bastard he was. He is a talented man.

Immoral actions are rife in football, but I'm amazed by how whiter than white supporters of other teams have suddenly become as they clutch their pearls at what we've done. Just off the top of my head: Chelsea - Selling the hotel to the parent company; 74 charges Liverpool - Tapping up VVD; cyber crime Man City - 115 rule breaches; subsidised stadium Manchester United - Massive debt, Fergie time, Edwards family selling condemned meat to schools Newcastle - Sportswashing; falsely claiming covid to postpone our fixture during relegation battle West Ham - Taxpayers' stadium

Heard he has gone

The Henry Nowak case is sickening.

Brilliant. It's discovered the Independent commission took a bung from Gibson/Middlesborough to screw Saints. Will Salt a double agent working for Boro. Eckert forced to confess or his kidnapped mother in Germany gets it in the neck. Boro win the playoff final but the EFL and FA disqualify them..quadruple relegation plus their ground is confiscated...made to play on their training pitch at Rocklife Park with all surrounding greenery cut down and observation posts for free access on every corner. Hull disqualified for...well, being Hull - Saints promoted to the Premier league with a 30 point headstart (to ensure we don't get relegated based on the 12 points we'll get if we're lucky).

It started by a tree, up at Rockliffe Hall he spied on Middlesbrough, he spied on them all he knew if Hackney was playing, he bullied the intern we got kicked out of the play offs, no premier league return ole ole ole ole ole ole ole ole ole ole

Why is david prutton representing us on panel shows. He was negative about us in the last play off final and isn't representing southampton on the sports agents surely we could have found someone better. What a knob

Make sure you take cash.

He is a massive part why we made the playoffs in the first place. Happy to help.

Another quarterly meeting must be due, I’m sure they’ll be holding the clubs feet to the fire over this weeks events

Maybe Tonda gets sacked, but in doing so he exposes the use of interns and confirms it is rife and isn’t just him? And as suggested in another post “it’s an unspoken rite of passage for them” if it is true, it could open a whole can of worms? *found it odd we’d put forward a suggestion to help with such things?

Being kicked out of a knock out competition because you were caught trying to cheat is not the massively out of ordinary event that deems this level of deep dive. It happens in lots of sports, including this one, at lots of different levels. I can see why some people think it’s a bit much but it’s not some deep rooted conspiracy that’s on members of this forum to uncover via the back catalog of lawyers previous work.

It can both be true that we cheated, but that Boro set it up and played us like a fiddle. No one is excusing what the club has been doing. But Boro used it to their advantage. Which isn’t acting in good faith either.

I expect others have already mentioned him but theres a guy called Pep who is apparently available and quite good, perhaps we should go for him? Hes also used to working at a club that has cheated along the way (alledgedly)...

Think I'm going to check out of this thread (even though this whole saga is all I can think about). I understand that folks need to cope, but this whole conspiracy whirlwind that's somehow engulfed this thread is unhealthy and, frankly, beneath us. Why aren't the club getting out and vocally 'calling out' Boro's actions? Because make believe stories about back rooms coverups would amazingly make us look even worse than we currently do. Read the report. We cheated. Systemically. On Tonda's direction. We can argue about the severity of the punishment, sure, but the idea that any force other our own stupidity is the cause of this is farcical. All we can do now is concentrate of fixing our own mess and the long, painful road to recovering from it.

What relevance has that got to whether or not one of the individuals tasked with deciding the punishment has a conflict of interest? I’m not saying that’s the case here, I’m just saying that in a commercial context it would be highly unusual for an arbitrator to have a prior client relationship with one of the interested parties.

Sorry daddy, I was about to crack the case but you’ve just sent me to bed. See you in the morning

They found one of our analysts behind a tree mate. That’s all the deep dive you need.

Did we do no background checks on this guy? Bit of a silly question really 🙂

Don’t agree with that at all. Lawyers might not have tribal loyalty but they do have conflicts of interest. In a commercial dispute, neither party would ever agree for one of the arbitrators (as an example) to be someone that had previously represented one of the parties. I don’t know all the facts here but, if one of the independent panelists had previously represented Middlesbrough, that would be a bit odd. There are thousands of qualified sports lawyers out there that would have zero connection to any interested party.